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Metallikid 07-03-2011 12:22 AM

Effective Statistics
Hey guys, I'd like to see what you think are the best metrics for evaluating a player`s talent, play and overall benefit to a team?

bjjs 07-03-2011 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 556785)
Hey guys, I'd like to see what you think are the best metrics for evaluating a player`s talent, play and overall benefit to a team?

They're all flawed to the point where +/- is as good a measure as any.

In my opinion you can get any better than that. How does the team perform well said player is on or off the court.

Shifty.py 07-03-2011 08:08 AM

adjusted plus-minus

carp 07-03-2011 09:55 AM

There is no single best metric.

halphbreedballer 07-03-2011 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 556800)
adjusted plus-minus

Yah a plus minus against the player your guarding, although that doesn't work when your playing a zone

Bill Haverchuck 07-03-2011 03:01 PM

Statistics are useful in relation to other statistics. A single stat can be misleading but several together can be revealing, as someone I know used to say.

When it comes to team stats, I think it's easier to say which are more useful than others. For example, if you're looking at a team's defense or offense, it's better to consider their defensive and offensive ratings (points given up per 100 possessions) than to look soley at PPG or opponents PPG. Things like pace of play can alter points per game stats. This would be an example of stats meaning something in relation to each other. PPG has to be viewed in relation to pace. A team could be top ten in opponents points given up but play at a really, really slow pace, which means they are actually no better than middle of the pack on defense when it is equated to 100 possessions.

The problem is that when it comes to individual stats, it's harder to properly equalize things across the boards the way defensive rating does for teams. There is always some context missing, since individuals are part of a bigger whole.

I still like stats, but, when looking at them, I try to consider several factors, depending on my purpose for seeking out the info.

Toby 07-03-2011 09:07 PM

Kevin Love is the best player in the world. Real All-Star. Stats don't tell a lie.

(except that his opponents have cleared the bench in the 3rd, and he finally scores some baskets against the other teams scrubs, due to the fact that his team is losing by 30)

You gotta watch a dude's game before rendering his stat line as a measuring tool.
Shane Battier for instance is a carreer 9, 4 and 2 guy. But what you can't see is when he hits those baskets. And you don't get stats for playing a pest in passing lanes, and shutting down the dribbling lanes. But if you ask any coach in this league if they want Battier in their lineup, and you'd hear a resounding YES.

Nites 07-03-2011 09:33 PM

Apart from points and rebounds Love doesn't offer much statistically. KG when on the Wolves was even better.

KG in 2003 played 82 games.

24.2ppg, 13.9rpg, 5.0apg, 2.2bpg, 1.5spg, 50% FG, 80% FT

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