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Dr. J. Naismith 09-28-2009 12:12 PM

Dwyer: The 10 Best Shooting Guards of the Last Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Kelly Dwyer
OK, we know the first decade of the 21st century doesn't really end until 2011. We think. But we also know there have been 10 full NBA seasons played since the phrase "Y2K" was on all of our lips (1999-2000), and here at Ball Don't Lie we've decided to use this as an offseason excuse to rank some of the best and not-so-brightest of the 10 campaigns in question. The result? Why, top 10 lists!

That's what a shooting guard looks like.

Michael Jordan, Ron Harper. Lithe, athletic, ready to pounce. Shoot, drive, score. Run, jump score. Dash, hop, score. Nice.

Not much to this. Just the top 10 shooting guards of the last decade.

10. Jerry Stackhouse

Stackhouse's highs were a little higher than the man who immediately follows him on this list, someone he was actually traded for in September of 2002, but his lows were certainly a lot lower.

That said, potent scorer. Not exactly the most efficient scorer, but certainly a potent one for years, on several teams. Stack actually neared the 30-point per game mark back in 2000-01, but on a squad that saw him lost 50 games, shoot 24 times a game (making fewer than 10 shots per contest), and turn it over 4.1 times a night? A bit of a hollow accomplishment.

9. Richard Hamilton

I seem to have spent the last half-decade trying to warn people that they might be overrating Hamilton a bit, his significant presence on several standout Pistons teams allows for that, but Hamilton's hardly need exaggerating.

He's been a rock solid shooting guard on one of the decade's most consistent outfits for years, even if he looks like a softly-tossed rock could knock him overly solidly. Just under 18 points per game in 33 minutes a contest for Hamilton, on a career that started the season this list began.

8. Brandon Roy

Not to stir anything up, please promise me you'll take this as a pump-up of Roy's abilities more than anything else, but worth pointing out:

Brandon Roy's PER, at age 24? 24.

Kobe Bryant's? 26, surrounded by three different campaigns that saw him end with a PER in the mid-23s.

In fact, Roy's PER was just a short step behind Bryant's last season, in a year that saw Bryant mentioned (undeservedly, I might add, amongst career years from LeBron James(notes), Chris Paul(notes), and Dwyane Wade(notes)) among MVP candidates.

The guy is for real. And even if last year was a fluke jump in production, his first two seasons have Roy pegged for stardom anyway. And if last year is any indication, he'll be the league's most underappreciated superstar for quite a while. Sadly, and excitedly.

7. Michael Redd

His first three seasons saw Redd ride the pine way too much (most frustratingly in 2002-03, a year that saw George Karl trot out Tim Thomas(notes) as a starter 70 times for the Milwaukee Bucks), and he's missed a total of 88 games over the last three seasons. But in that creamy middle lies a fantastic scorer who is ridiculously adept at shooting, not turning the ball over, and absolutely nothing else.

6. Manu Ginobili

Manu Ginobili has never played 80 games in a season, and I'm sorry, but that hurts. He's averaged 69 games a year in his seven-year career, so it's not as if he's taking entire seasons off, but throw in all the gimpy attempts to play through injury, and the seven-year term (compared to someone like Allen Iverson's(notes) ten-year run through the, um, ten-year decade) is something you have to consider.

That said, as Kobe mentioned, Manu's a bad, bad boy. He scores, shoots a high percentage, rebounds, dishes, picks up steals, and defends. He's the complete package that just happens to not play all that much (27.7 minutes per game average, career).


5. Allen Iverson

Iverson is the anti-Michael Redd. Not a shooter, turns the ball over way too much (even though he uses far more possessions), he needs the ball to be effective (instead of shooting off screens), and he kills a lot of offense by dribbling, dribbling, shooting, and missing.

He also scores. I just don't know enough about the game to accurately try to place Iverson's levels of production amongst his peers or the players who came before him, nor am I going to try to tell you just whether or not his teams were winning in spite of him, or whether he was let down by a series of unfortunate teammates. 13 years after he was drafted first overall, his style, in this league? I still don't know where it fits. I don't think anyone, if they're honest, really knows.

Here's what I can tell you. He's averaged 27 points and six assists a game on his career. He was the sole offensive option on a team that made the Finals in 2001, and he's one of the greatest this league has ever seen at getting off his own shot. If that last accomplishment ends up being a good or bad thing depends on quite a bit, but it's worth noting.

4. Ray Allen

For years, Allen was considered to be just a step behind Kobe Bryant amongst the league's off guards, and that may have been a solid assessment, but it was a huge step, and an assessment that doesn't quite hold up on the decade-long tally.

Allen's been fantastic, and improperly criticized at times, but his all-around game (the rebounds, the assists, the D) just isn't there in comparison to the men who made the top three.

Still, Allen can shoot. And he works at it. And he can shoot. And he scores well. And he has a ring. And he can shoot. The next three-pointer he hits will be his 2300th, he's averaged 20.9 points per game on the career alongside stellar marks of just under 45 percent from the floor (consider where his attempts are coming from), 40 percent from long range, and 89.3 percent from the charity stripe.

3. Vince Carter

Carp at VC all you want, I'll lead the chants, but the man brought it all decade.

Most of the decade. He took some of the decade off, I guess.

When he didn't take parts of decades off, Carter threw together averages of 23.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, and 3.8 assists. He's become a much better passer and defender as his career has moved along, while establishing a post-up game. And while he was pretty injury-prone to start the decade, Carter hasn't really missed much time in the years since 2002-03.

2. Dwyane Wade

Wade has only averaged 66 games a year over his career, and he's played just six seasons in the NBA, but ... he's Dwyane Wade.

He has a ring, teams have a hard time stopping him from scoring a whole lot of points on the basketball court, and he's Dwyane Wade. 25.2 points per game on 48 percent shooting, 6.7 assists, five boards, and 2.8 combined blocks/steals on his career. Very, very good, he is.

1. Kobe Bryant

Very, very brilliant, this man is.

You're well aware of his stats; he's essentially a Jordan-lite. You're aware that he's won four rings, made the Finals two other times, and his one of the greatest backcourt practitioners to ever play this game. And that, at age 31, he's on what might be the deepest and most talented team of his career, a team coming off a Finals victory.

What always impresses me most, is the man's dedication. Complain about the off-court stuff, how calculating he seems, how he can appear pretty transparent at times, I don't mind. You'd be right, in that regard. But you have to respect the amount of work he puts into the game that we love. Work that, I'm sorry, some of our favorite players both past and present just couldn't be bothered to.

Can't blame those guys, you can only go so hard for so long without getting burned out. Kobe's love is a special love, though. A sick one. MJ had that sickness, Magic had it, Bird had it, Russell had it. All the greats had it.

He's not at their level. But he made damn sure he gave himself every opportunity he could to work toward their level.

Kobe Bryant is the greatest shooting guard of the decade. It's not even close.

Source - The 10 best shooting guards of the last decade - Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

Superjudge 09-28-2009 12:20 PM

can't disagree.

Kobe is pretty killer.

dfunkie1 09-28-2009 02:02 PM

iverson is number two without a doubt

also

i'd take hamilton over redd 7 days a week

Someguy again 09-28-2009 02:10 PM

LOL no Tmac

Windex 09-28-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 243891)
iverson is number two without a doubt

also

i'd take hamilton over redd 7 days a week

+1

Iverson took a team to the finals by himself and had to play the Wade role for 10 years

Formless 09-28-2009 05:14 PM

lol no Reggie

Nites 09-28-2009 11:39 PM

Reggie Miller played all star like until 2000 then he averaged less then 15 points tell retirement

Apollo 09-29-2009 01:23 AM

The top six deserve to be in the top ten but the last four? I don't know man. Redd is totally overrated. Can anyone convince me that Stack had a bigger impact on the league than T-Mac? Reggie needs to be on this list. Roy has no business being on this list. He only really busted out in a big way last season. One huge season does not trump T-Mac.

Bmats7 09-29-2009 01:31 AM

Vince #3? :)

excellent lol and also very true.

VanCity 09-29-2009 01:59 AM

haha....no tmac...and brandon roy has only been in this league for 3 years...:dead:....

VanCity 09-29-2009 02:03 AM

and i though Iverson played as point guard most of his career....:confused2:

jermyzy 09-29-2009 02:40 AM

how about joe johnson...or maybe even michael finley?

Windex 09-29-2009 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by A00715890 (Post 244204)
and i though Iverson played as point guard most of his career....:confused2:

remember Eric Snow was the PG for some years

SoGood 09-29-2009 03:41 AM

i think t-mac is officially a SF
feels like the list is missing someone...not sure who

SoGood 09-29-2009 03:44 AM

JRich? Jason Terry?

but I guess these guys have never been to all star games, and every single player on that list has been to atleast one.

zachus 09-29-2009 10:54 AM

Hmm....Reggie...

The last decade only included the last few years of Reggie's career, definitely not his golden years.

Someguy again 09-29-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SoGood (Post 244224)
i think t-mac is officially a SF
feels like the list is missing someone...not sure who

Besides isn't VC and Ginobilli a SF as well? just saying

Superjudge 09-29-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 243894)
+1

Iverson took a team to the finals by himself and had to play the Wade role for 10 years

Iverson didn't "Have" to do anything, he chose that route, and thats why he wasnt successful.

halphbreedballer 09-29-2009 03:38 PM

What about Paul Pierce? untill Ray Allen came to town he was at SG.

And really T-Mac is a SG/SF & so are a couple of those playes on the list so he should be there...I'm not a huge fan of T-Mac but when he was good he was good!


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