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Old 12-12-2011, 12:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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LOL.... I don't even wanna know how drunk you'd get if D12 ever signed with the Mavs Gizz hahaha.....

Would def. be the best frontcourt 1-2 punch in league history I think.

Make no mistake though... D12's a monstrous douchebag for weaselling out now when he was trying to sound like such a good guy when Bosh, Lebron and Carmelo left.

Again... you went to the NBA Finals THREE years ago... and you want to complain???
dwight and dirk would have absolutely nothing on robinson and duncan. dwight's a monster in a boys league. if he were around 10-15 years ago, the media wouldn't care which team he was going to simply because he wouldn't have made them a contender.
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how would the mavs even sign him? or deron for that matter? do they plan on signing for the MLE and vets exception? the mavs aren't stacked with assets, they're old and largely overpaid. both orlando and NJ would be better off letting both expire than taking back their players and contracts.
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dwight and dirk would have absolutely nothing on robinson and duncan. dwight's a monster in a boys league. if he were around 10-15 years ago, the media wouldn't care which team he was going to simply because he wouldn't have made them a contender.
wow HUGE statement there!?

howard is a beast! You really saying 10-15 years ago he wouldn't even have been like top 5 Cs in league!?
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wow HUGE statement there!?

howard is a beast! You really saying 10-15 years ago he wouldn't even have been like top 5 Cs in league!?
i'm extremely comfortable saying behind ewing, dream, robinson, shaq, deke and zo
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i'm extremely comfortable saying behind ewing, dream, robinson, shaq, deke and zo
hmmm, debateable.

Those are all great players you've mentioned. Just really surprised you don't see howard as in that league. I wouldn't argue against any others being better than howard but i equally don't think any of them is obviously better than him. Except maybe shaq and hakeem.
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how would the mavs even sign him? or deron for that matter? do they plan on signing for the MLE and vets exception? the mavs aren't stacked with assets, they're old and largely overpaid. both orlando and NJ would be better off letting both expire than taking back their players and contracts.
The Mavs are currently in the process of clearing cap space for next summer. They could acquire Dwight via trade, and then potentially clear enough space to sign Williams.
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shaq wasn't elite amoungst them while they were still able to play at a high calibre. you have to realize how diluted the league is at the center position. looking at players like rik smits, vlade divac, jayson williams, brad daugherty, these guys would probably all be considered top three in the league today.
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shaq wasn't elite amoungst them while they were still able to play at a high calibre. you have to realize how diluted the league is at the center position. looking at players like rik smits, vlade divac, jayson williams, brad daugherty, these guys would probably all be considered top three in the league today.
yep, that much is true. In general league is weak for Cs right now.

maybe that affects my view of howard somewhat, i think 15 years ago he would've been considered in the same league as that big, elite group.
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The Mavs are currently in the process of clearing cap space for next summer. They could acquire Dwight via trade, and then potentially clear enough space to sign Williams.
totally. trade everyone for an expiring contract and trade those expiring contracts for dwights expiring contract.
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I don't agree.
Players under contract should never be able to say ANYTHING to the media/friends/random hobo that sleeps beside their arena about wanting a trade to any other teams.
When you're under contract, you should honor your contract.
If your GM/Owner comes to you and says "will you resign with us next year (no), okay, then where can we trade you that you'll be happy so we can get something good out of the trade".
Players simply have too much power.
Players should be fined, heavily, if they speak out and demand trades.

Social media is going to continue to be a plague on the world, not just sports.
But that's what happened in Dwight's case. That's what I keep talking about. I don't think you paid much attention.
Dwight didn't start with a public trade request.
And then today's interview happened, with the GM BS. That's what I mean by him handling it well, and then suddenly screwing it up.
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The Mavs are currently in the process of clearing cap space for next summer. They could acquire Dwight via trade, and then potentially clear enough space to sign Williams.
Seriously, Dan? You think that's a possibility?

Dirk earns $20+ mill.

Dwight would earn..what? Close to $20 mill? 18?

Deron would then probably earn similar to Dwight, right?

Their 3 salaries will almost be the full cap unless Dirk re-structures his deal and the others take under the max. Possible, I guess.

So you're suggesting that Dallas is going to pull a Miami and find a why to almost completely gut every salary on its roster so that it can spend 55+ million on a big three? Well, there is a precedent, so I guess I can't say it's impossible, but, given Dallas' situation, I think it will be harder than when Miami did it.
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Go figure, they win a ring and he wants to go there as well...
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Seriously, Dan? You think that's a possibility?

Dirk earns $20+ mill.

Dwight would earn..what? Close to $20 mill? 18?

Deron would then probably earn similar to Dwight, right?

Their 3 salaries will almost be the full cap unless Dirk re-structures his deal and the others take under the max. Possible, I guess.

So you're suggesting that Dallas is going to pull a Miami and find a why to almost completely gut every salary on its roster so that it can spend 55+ million on a big three? Well, there is a precedent, so I guess I can't say it's impossible, but, given Dallas' situation, I think it will be harder than when Miami did it.
It would take some doing, depending on what goes the other way in a Dwight trade, but they could conceivably clear just enough space for each to sign a normal max deal - which is what they would each sign if they went to a new team on their own. But it would take some doing - they'd need some room teams to take on some of their smaller contracts, and maybe to amnesty Marion. With the new ability of teams to renegotiate a player's contract value down by up to 40%, Dirk may even be able to take a paycut which should leave enough room for both signings.

It will be harder, but not impossible.
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Well looking at the Dallas roster, both Terry's and Kidd's huge contract will be expiring, along with a few other low million contracts. So essentially they will be trying to get rid of Marion, Haywood, and Odom's contract for expirings if possible to have a big 3. But that is pretty much demolishing an entire team, and Ill say that other GMs will take notice of their doings and interests of the big free agents in where they are going to sign
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Well looking at the Dallas roster, both Terry's and Kidd's huge contract will be expiring, along with a few other low million contracts. So essentially they will be trying to get rid of Marion, Haywood, and Odom's contract for expirings if possible to have a big 3. But that is pretty much demolishing an entire team, and Ill say that other GMs will take notice of their doings and interests of the big free agents in where they are going to sign
Other teams knew what the Heat were doing, but still did what was in their own best interest in any transaction. If Dallas wants to clear cap space and can find trade partners, they will do it - no one is going to say no to a trade that helps them just because it gives the Mavs a big 3 shot. The key for the Mavs will be finding teams that need their players.
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LOL.... I don't even wanna know how drunk you'd get if D12 ever signed with the Mavs Gizz hahaha.....
It's not as much about D12.

I just want the ride to continue. I've randomly been a fan for about 12 years now and it's been too fun. Way too many ups and downs.

All this talk about the Mavs getting complacent and the fact that the playoff run was a once in a lifetime thing is complete bullshit if you ask me.

Since they've won the title, I've barely seen any coverage or respect at all. The fact that everyone's so sure that they won't defend the crown is gonna work for them. I'm expecting them to come out strong out the gates and play like champions.
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It's not as much about D12.

I just want the ride to continue. I've randomly been a fan for about 12 years now and it's been too fun. Way too many ups and downs.

All this talk about the Mavs getting complacent and the fact that the playoff run was a once in a lifetime thing is complete bullshit if you ask me.

Since they've won the title, I've barely seen any coverage or respect at all. The fact that everyone's so sure that they won't defend the crown is gonna work for them. I'm expecting them to come out strong out the gates and play like champions.
i think the heat will be the mavs in that opener but after that i think the mavs are going to be very strong and make another run at the championship.
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Too bad the Mavs just traded away their best asset to acquire Dwight to the Lakers (TPE).

I would rather take Bynum + cap relief than Haywood + Terry/Beaubois/???.
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i think the heat will be the mavs in that opener but after that i think the mavs are going to be very strong and make another run at the championship.
I can see that happening as well.

Luckily their "core" (Kidd, Dirk, Terry, Hay, Marion) is in place so chemistry shouldn't be too big of an issue. I actually see Odom and Carter catching on very quick, especially Vince. For some reason I see him having a mini rebirth in the Big D.

That being said, Miami will come out swinging. It's gonna be a great game.

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Too bad the Mavs just traded away their best asset to acquire Dwight to the Lakers (TPE).

I would rather take Bynum + cap relief than Haywood + Terry/Beaubois/???.
No doubt. Still, Donnie is a very creative GM. He's the kind of guy that has great relationships in Europe and around the league. He can make things happen that otherwise can't. He'll have to get creative as hell if he's planning on getting one of these two via trade.
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