Duncan was illegally substituted on final play of reg.
Old 06-19-2013, 11:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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On key possession in Game 6, Duncan was on the floor illegally - CBSSports.com


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MIAMI -- On the Spurs' final possession of regulation in Game 6 Tuesday night, Tim Duncan inbounded the ball to Tony Parker, who raced up the court and lofted an errant, fallaway shot from the baseline at the buzzer. One of the best Finals games in years was going to overtime.

But rewind that: Duncan, who'd been subbed into the game following an official play stoppage for a replay review of Ray Allen's game-tying 3-pointer with 5.2 seconds left, shouldn't have been on the floor. The league office confirmed Wednesday that Duncan had been substituted into the game illegally after the replay stoppage.

What does this mean? Since the Spurs didn't score on that possession and ultimately lost 103-100 in overtime, it doesn't mean much. A mistake was made, a rule was misapplied, but it didn't affect the outcome of the game.

But what if it had? If the Spurs had scored on the final possession of regulation and won the championship on that play, all holy hell would've broken loose. The Heat could've -- and presumably would've -- filed a protest with the league office over the Duncan substitution. Under the league's protest guidelines, there would've been an expedited ruling from commissioner David Stern.

If the Heat had won the protest, the Heat and Spurs -- and all the rest of us -- would've had to reconvene in Miami to pick up Game 6 from the point where the rule was misapplied with 5.2 seconds left and the score tied at 95.

Seriously, can you imagine?

Substitutions cannot be made following official stoppages for replay reviews. The ball can't be advanced, either, which is why the Spurs took the ball in under their own basket after Allen's 3-pointer was upheld on review.

The nightmare scenario, of course, would've been Duncan himself winning the game with a basket or putback, or at the foul line. But even if it wasn't Duncan who'd scored, any San Antonio basket in that situation would've resulted in a Miami protest and, quite possibly, a do-over.

Wow.

Just in case you're wondering, there are no provisions in the rulebook for Miami to complain about the error on the spot and for the officials to huddle and wave off a basket if San Antonio had scored. The issue would've needed to be addressed through the protest procedure.

If the Heat had lost in overtime, they still could've filed a protest but would've had little, if any, chance of winning it. It has to be demonstrated that the misapplication of the rule directly influenced the outcome of the game. The only way for that to have happened in this case was San Antonio scoring on the final possession of regulation and winning the game -- and its fifth championship -- only to have to return at some point later and try to do it again.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I gotta say I hate the overuse of the review. Suddenly refs need help on what is an obvious call? If they need to review Ray's shot they should get new jobs. I understand that it meant more due to when it took place, but then they should just give coaches a chance to call for a review. Then it would also mean the use of a time out if the call stood, and either way the game would not be impacted by a dumb bit of procedure.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm almost sure that someone stated the Spurs had a chance to perhaps inbound quickly and attack before the Heat defense was set up. That was taken away from them because of this whole fiasco.
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I'm almost sure that someone stated the Spurs had a chance to perhaps inbound quickly and attack before the Heat defense was set up. That was taken away from them because of this whole fiasco.
I was laughing my ass off when Crawford was pulling the ball out of a Spurs hands, I think it was Diaw.......He wrestled the ball out of his hands. lol
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I'm almost sure that someone stated the Spurs had a chance to perhaps inbound quickly and attack before the Heat defense was set up. That was taken away from them because of this whole fiasco.
I commented on it immediately in the game thread. I was annoyed with the way Mike Breen characterized the situation.

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Popvich has a right to be mad. The spurs could have inbounded the ball and Tony Parker could have taken off to try and score before the Heat set up their defense. Now the Heat get to set up their D.

Mike Breen is trying to make it sound like advantage to the Spurs, but I bet Pop disagrees.


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Old 06-20-2013, 01:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I doubt it gave MIA the advantage, Lebron was screaming to defend then screaming "they don't have a timeout" after. Either way, glad they didn't score... Cause if they did, imo they'd need to a re-do for giving Spurs a free semi timeout and sub... but yea I guess you can argue the other way. They should only be allowed to review on a dead-ball... wtf was that
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Pop screwed up big time yesterday in taking Duncan out in the first place, and not fouling up 3.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:52 AM   #8 (permalink)
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If the spurs won the championship I doubt they'd take it away because of a mistake that wasn't fixed. Its the refs job to realize this ... stern would say whatever happened, happened
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I doubt it gave MIA the advantage, Lebron was screaming to defend then screaming "they don't have a timeout" after. Either way, glad they didn't score... Cause if they did, imo they'd need to a re-do for giving Spurs a free semi timeout and sub... but yea I guess you can argue the other way. They should only be allowed to review on a dead-ball... wtf was that
Normally it would have given Miami the advantage, but you're right, SA was absolutely wiped out, and Miami was jacked up and appeared to be stuck tight to every single player. Diaw was going to either get called for 5 seconds ( I think he was already holding on to it for two) or throw a very hard pass to get it in bounds. Both coaches were probably angry.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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and ppl still think the NBA is fixed for miami...
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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and ppl still think the NBA is fixed for miami...
If the fix was in they wouldn't have started getting ready to present the championship to the Spurs before game 6 was over either.
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