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TORaptor4Ever 01-17-2013 02:32 PM

Drummond one of the most efficient rookies EVER?
 
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When Drummond plays, the 19-year-old rookie is efficient, maybe even at an all-time level when compared to other NBA teenagers.

ESPN.com's Tom Haberstroh notes Drummond has a player efficiency rating (PER) of 21.9, which would be the highest of any NBA teenager in history if he keeps it up.

Better than Kyrie Irving. Or Kobe Bryant. Or even LeBron James.

In less than 20 minutes a game, Drummond is averaging 7.1 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.6 blocks per game. Projected over 36 minutes a night, Drummond's averages would be 13 points, 13.3 rebounds and 3.0 blocks.

ESPN's Kevin Pelton uses player stats, and height and weight, to identify predecessors to players at the same age. Drummond's comparison? Dwight Howard.

ESPN: Detroit Pistons' Andre Drummond has NBA ROY case, compares to Dwight Howard | MLive.com

I really hope that DET gives this kid the chance to start some games after the all-star break. I REALLY want to see what he can do in 30+ min/gm.

DocHoliday99 01-17-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 736909)
I really hope that DET gives this kid the chance to start some games after the all-star break. I REALLY want to see what he can do in 30+ min/gm.

He'll get fouled a lot, miss most of his free throws and get yanked cause he would be a bigger liability than Howard or Shaq.

Personally, I really hope he learns to improve his ft% a la Malone (probably the only big I've seen to go from horrendous to very good). If not he'll be riding the pine still, especially in the 4th. I've been a tad hard on the fellow for that and I really hope he can improve or we may never get to see his true potential.

TORaptor4Ever 01-17-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 736950)
He'll get fouled a lot, miss most of his free throws and get yanked cause he would be a bigger liability than Howard or Shaq.

Personally, I really hope he learns to improve his ft% a la Malone (probably the only big I've seen to go from horrendous to very good). If not he'll be riding the pine still, especially in the 4th. I've been a tad hard on the fellow for that and I really hope he can improve or we may never get to see his true potential.

Malone was actually the exception rather than the rule....

A LOT of great bigs struggled with their FTs over the years (Duncan, Webber, Shaq, Griffin & DJ in L.A.) yet still helped their team WAY more than they hurt them.

If DET is that worried about it they can just play him in the 1st three Q's and then sit him for most of the 4th.

DocHoliday99 01-17-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 736958)
Malone was actually the exception rather than the rule....

A LOT of great bigs struggled with their FTs over the years (Duncan, Webber, Shaq, Griffin & DJ in L.A.) yet still helped their team WAY more than they hurt them.

If DET is that worried about it they can just play him in the 1st three Q's and then sit him for most of the 4th.

Probably will happen that way, Hack-a-Drummond - never did like that rule change by the league to slow Shaq. Drummond though....39% FT%....don't think any of those bigs you mentioned were that bad. The league should really change the rule back so it reduces the fouls late in games, would be more exciting imo.

TORaptor4Ever 01-17-2013 05:44 PM

Oh he's horrid without a doubt.... but like I said... if he's not playing in the 4th it won't be much of an issue. Teams aren't going to want to get into the penalty quickly during most of the game.

DocHoliday99 01-17-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 736962)
Oh he's horrid without a doubt.... but like I said... if he's not playing in the 4th it won't be much of an issue. Teams aren't going to want to get into the penalty quickly during most of the game.

Good for the regular season, but could that work effectively in the playoffs? Especially if Detroit needs rebounds, blocks and defense, might totally negate the net result.

LX 01-17-2013 06:09 PM

How much does a PER mean if you're getting less than 30 minutes a game? There's just no way you can compare him to Lebron or Dwight.

Acie 01-17-2013 06:16 PM

I'd like to know when Griffin and DJ became "great bigs" worthy of mention in the same breath as Shaq, Duncan and Webber? :)

pzabby 01-17-2013 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 736975)
I'd like to know when Griffin and DJ became "great bigs" worthy of mention in the same breath as Shaq, Duncan and Webber? :)

DJ u mean DH?

DH I think is on the outside looking in, and with a bit of heart would be right there. griffen not yet

LX 01-17-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 736982)
DJ u mean DH?

DH I think is on the outside looking in, and with a bit of heart would be right there. griffen not yet

No, toraps mentioned Griffin and Jordan's free throws. They didn't exactly win a ton with them missing freethrows either.

Howard's not close to those guys.

Scully 01-17-2013 06:42 PM

Who cares the guy is taking three maybe four attempts a game, and every thing is a dunk.

DocHoliday99 01-17-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scully (Post 736989)
Who cares the guy is taking three maybe four attempts a game, and every thing is a dunk.

Seems the hacking is not limited to the 4th anymore. When Drummond becomes more of a focal point for the team then other teams will change their tactics - then he'll be fouled, and fouled a lot, before he gets the ball.

TORaptor4Ever 01-17-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 736993)
Seems the hacking is not limited to the 4th anymore. When Drummond becomes more of a focal point for the team then other teams will change their tactics - then he'll be fouled, and fouled a lot, before he gets the ball.

True. But you wouldn't expect him to be THAT bad a FT shooter forever.

If he get to around 60% that'll prob. be good enough.

Superjudge 01-17-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 736972)
How much does a PER mean if you're getting less than 30 minutes a game? There's just no way you can compare him to Lebron or Dwight.

Yes you can. He's being compared to them when they were the same age yo

LX 01-17-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 737009)
Yes you can. He's being compared to them when they were the same age yo

And they played a lot more minutes yo, so their PER would mean something quite different. Apples and oranges really.

Rene_13 01-17-2013 08:40 PM

Wow this Drummond guy must be the most efficient ever!!! Mostly based on the fact he was drafted directly after Ross.


Look at these stats,


24.6 MPG

0.576 FG%

0.000

0.555 FT%

2.6 OFF

4.5 DEF

7.1 REBS

0.6 APG

0.6 SPG

1.0 BPG

0.74 TO

2.82 PF

7.7 PPG



Oh yeah, that's Ed Davis' rookie season. Toronto fans are a little too in love with Drummond. He brings physicality, and a nack for rebounding, but is he really that much better for this team than a guy we already have. Surely their rookie numbers wouldn't scream that.

LX 01-17-2013 08:41 PM

You forgot the caps. EVER!

TORaptor4Ever 01-17-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rene_13 (Post 737021)
Toronto fans are a little too in love with Drummond. He brings physicality, and a nack for rebounding, but is he really that much better for this team than a guy we already have. Surely their rookie numbers wouldn't scream that.

If DET came to me and offered us Drummond for Ed I'd pack Ed's bags and drive him to Motor City myself.

Ed will be a solid big.

Drummond will be a true game-changer. His sheer size and athleticism puts him in class with guys like Cousins and Howard. Good rebounder and shot-blocker and even has a nice passing touch too.

The hype is well-warranted.

DocHoliday99 01-17-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 737042)
If DET came to me and offered us Drummond for Ed I'd pack Ed's bags and drive him to Motor City myself.

Ed will be a solid big.

Drummond will be a true game-changer. His sheer size and athleticism puts him in class with guys like Cousins and Howard. Good rebounder and shot-blocker and even has a nice passing touch too.

The hype is well-warranted.

Id do that deal faster than dealing JC. I think that if Drummond hit around that 60% mark on FT's in college he would've gone top 3 IMO.

FLO 01-17-2013 10:13 PM

It's stupid to suggest he's going to be better than LeBron, Kobe or Kyrie, but he's going to be a helluva player. It's almost guaranteed he'll be better than Ross. BC fucked up in not taking him. Shouldn't blame Ross though, it's BC's fault.


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