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Old 01-18-2013, 04:03 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I know some feel that I'm blowing up this FT% but did anyone watch the Lakers/Miami game last night? Howard's horrible FT shooting was a big reason the Lakers lost momentum in the 4th...5-13....38%...much like Drummond's average. Disappointing, as that one stat pretty much negated what Howard did through out the game.


I stated earlier I would take Drummond over Ed and I'm going to back away from that statement. With the current direction of the NBA, how the rules are and how the refs are calling the game, BIG bigs who can't shoot a FT if their life depended on it will be exposed and forced off the floor when it counts. Until the Shaq rule is eliminated, or a rule put in place disallowing excessive consecutive deliberate fouling, players like Drummond will have a difficult time reaching their full potential.
Sorry Doc.... but if you're implying that a shoddy FT % hurt Shaq and Dwight's teams more than their other skills helped them.... well.... I don't agree at all.

And again.... there's no reason to think that Drummond can't improve on 39%.

He will absolutely eat Ed for breakfast, lunch and dinner in another year or two.
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If DET came to me and offered us Drummond for Ed I'd pack Ed's bags and drive him to Motor City myself.

Ed will be a solid big.

Drummond will be a true game-changer. His sheer size and athleticism puts him in class with guys like Cousins and Howard. Good rebounder and shot-blocker and even has a nice passing touch too.

The hype is well-warranted.
How can you tell that he will be a game-changer just by looking at the kid?
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Sorry Doc.... but if you're implying that a shoddy FT % hurt Shaq and Dwight's teams more than their other skills helped them.... well.... I don't agree at all.

And again.... there's no reason to think that Drummond can't improve on 39%.

He will absolutely eat Ed for breakfast, lunch and dinner in another year or two.
I don't know if he will eat Ed for breakfast, maybe a brunch

Thinking about Howard, no denying he hurt his team the other night with his FT's on the stat the matters most, the win column. I'm not meaning his % devalues the other skills, I see what I wrote implies that, but more about close games and crucial moments when the game is on the line. Maybe it's Dantoni's system of 4 perimeter and 1 deep that exposes that weakness since most of the offense is generated from the outside.

Drummond did ok in that last game....11/10 with 2 blks in 23min - pretty impressive despite that other teams haven't really game planned to stop him yet. At some point, he will have to increase his ft% to 65-70 imo. Somewhere in the range, maybe not quite, of DMC whose shooting .786 this season. Now THAT is a player I would take over Ed who could eat both ed and Drummond for lunch.
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How can you tell that he will be a game-changer just by looking at the kid?
1. His size (height, weight, wingspan)

2. His athleticism (he's not a stiff in spite of the fact that he's huge)

3. His instincts (has a nose for the ball and has good timing for shot-blocking)

4. His attitude (seems like a good kid, unselfish player, willing to pass)


Barring a major injury I don't see any way that he WON'T be an impact player in this league.
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1. His size (height, weight, wingspan)

2. His athleticism (he's not a stiff in spite of the fact that he's huge)

3. His instincts (has a nose for the ball and has good timing for shot-blocking)

4. His attitude (seems like a good kid, unselfish player, willing to pass)


Barring a major injury I don't see any way that he WON'T be an impact player in this league.
You're setting yourself up for a major disaster if Drummond doesn't reach the ceiling you are projecting for him, TO.

He's got a chance to be good, I'll give him that. If he puts in the time and wants to be one of the best in the league, I think it's attainable. But he has to show the necessary drive in order to achieve that type of success, something that only a few elite players possess; the drive to be the best.
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Drummond needs the guy who taught Hibbert how to run, and well just be a coordinated big. I still watch him and I'm never left with thinking this guy is going to be a stud. He's got skills (there's never been doubt about that), but he's real far away from being a legit impact guy.

He'll need a lot of good coaching. I don't think he gets that in Detroit. He's a guy who should've stayed in college for a year or two, just to learn.

However, it's no secret that I'm not high on him. Athletic kid, but I don't think he'll reach his potential (which if he harnesses is real high) in Detroit.
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really? Because he impacts the game every time he steps on the floor, as a rookie.

why does everyone here have to argue against Drummond?

Is it because some of us wanted him? Whats done is done, he isn't a raptor, but damned if I'm gonna get all anti-Drummond. The kid is solid. And he's huge, and he can move.

Face it, tea,s were afraid he was lazy, turns out, he was just young. He's gonna be a good player.
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Why are you so pissed off? I've been consistent in my comments against the kid. I'm not coming out and wishing the guy harm. I'm just sharing my opinion.

I've watched him more than a few times this year and I watched a lot of him last year in UConn (yeah, I cheer for the Johnies so I watch a lot of Big East).

I swear, sometimes this forum is so difficult to contribute to.
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You're setting yourself up for a major disaster if Drummond doesn't reach the ceiling you are projecting for him, TO.

He's got a chance to be good, I'll give him that. If he puts in the time and wants to be one of the best in the league, I think it's attainable. But he has to show the necessary drive in order to achieve that type of success, something that only a few elite players possess; the drive to be the best.
By all means, feel free to call me out if Drummond turns out to be bust (as long as it's not due to injury).

If we were going to make a bet I can tell you that I'd like my chances.
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Why are you so pissed off? I've been consistent in my comments against the kid. I'm not coming out and wishing the guy harm. I'm just sharing my opinion.

I've watched him more than a few times this year and I watched a lot of him last year in UConn (yeah, I cheer for the Johnies so I watch a lot of Big East).

I swear, sometimes this forum is so difficult to contribute to.
I dunno C.... based on what I've seen of Drummond he's had at least as much of an impact on the floor as Davis and JV have (with less opportunity). I never watched him at UCONN so I'm just going on what he's done in the NBA (and in pre-season).

His size and athleticism alone would make an impact. Look at what people were saying about McGee and Deandre Jordan not too long ago (will never be decent players... too dumb... no skill). THOSE guys are "impact players". They change the game when they're out there.
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TO, McGee and Jordan play for the right team for their skill set. They're not asked to do too much. They're not the focal point. They're essentially highly skilled role players excelling at their role, on the right team. Plus, they're both lucky to play with high skilled PGs in Lawson and Paul. You take those guys away from those good, comfy situations and they look really, really mediocre (see McGee in Washington).

Like I said, he's got the ability to be good and more. He needs someone to teach him how to run. I know that sounds stupid, but he reminds me of Hibbert in his first year (who also didn't know how to run) and it wasn't until Hibbert relearned how to run efficiently that he started making strides.
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Why are you so pissed off? I've been consistent in my comments against the kid. I'm not coming out and wishing the guy harm. I'm just sharing my opinion.

I've watched him more than a few times this year and I watched a lot of him last year in UConn (yeah, I cheer for the Johnies so I watch a lot of Big East).

I swear, sometimes this forum is so difficult to contribute to.
Dude, who's mad?
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Your response and the tone of the response. I don't think I'm the only one who read it like that as well.
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TO, McGee and Jordan play for the right team for their skill set. They're not asked to do too much. They're not the focal point. They're essentially highly skilled role players excelling at their role, on the right team. Plus, they're both lucky to play with high skilled PGs in Lawson and Paul. You take those guys away from those good, comfy situations and they look really, really mediocre (see McGee in Washington).

Like I said, he's got the ability to be good and more. He needs someone to teach him how to run. I know that sounds stupid, but he reminds me of Hibbert in his first year (who also didn't know how to run) and it wasn't until Hibbert relearned how to run efficiently that he started making strides.
That's fine.... Make no mistake... I wouldn't have been asking for Drummond to score 27 pts/gm for us is he had been here. Just box out hard, block some shots and when you get the ball anywhere near the basket, tear the rim down. I actually think that Drummond is MORE athletic than Hibbert or Lopez (who, although pretty good are "stiffs" because of their slow-footed movement).

Let me ask you this though.... if Hibbert had been in this year's draft would you have taken Ross over him?

There's just way too much value in a true C to pass one up IMO.

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Drummond needs the guy who taught Hibbert how to run, and well just be a coordinated big. I still watch him and I'm never left with thinking this guy is going to be a stud. He's got skills (there's never been doubt about that), but he's real far away from being a legit impact guy.

He'll need a lot of good coaching. I don't think he gets that in Detroit. He's a guy who should've stayed in college for a year or two, just to learn.

However, it's no secret that I'm not high on him. Athletic kid, but I don't think he'll reach his potential (which if he harnesses is real high) in Detroit.
that's pretty much the exact opposite of what i'd say about him. I find his coordination and ability to move simply amazing. I look at his height, weight, power, lateral movement and jumping ability, and the guy moves like he's 240, not 290.

What he lacks is general understanding of plays. He's missing offensive plays and defensive rotations all the time. His impact right now is purely on "see the ball, destroy everyone, get the ball" basis. Pure aggressiveness and talent. Which is amazing in itself, because there's so much room to develop.
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that's pretty much the exact opposite of what i'd say about him. I find his coordination and ability to move simply amazing. I look at his height, weight, power, lateral movement and jumping ability, and the guy moves like he's 240, not 290.

What he lacks is general understanding of plays. He's missing offensive plays and defensive rotations all the time. His impact right now is purely on "see the ball, destroy everyone, get the ball" basis. Pure aggressiveness and talent. Which is amazing in itself, because there's so much room to develop.
Well put. That's EXACTLY what I should have said earlier.
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really? Because he impacts the game every time he steps on the floor, as a rookie.

why does everyone here have to argue against Drummond?

Is it because some of us wanted him? Whats done is done, he isn't a raptor, but damned if I'm gonna get all anti-Drummond. The kid is solid. And he's huge, and he can move.

Face it, tea,s were afraid he was lazy, turns out, he was just young. He's gonna be a good player.
I mostly agree with your perspective on Drummond, but what the hell do you mean "everyone" arguing against him? Only a couple of people said anything.

Personally, I don't want any threads about him because I've seen what talking about Drummond leads to. There's a lot of stupid-ass conversations going on at RealGM (on the various boards, not just the Raptor one).

There is a good chance Drummond is an all-star in 3 years. Oh well. Fuck this thread. I don't want to talk about him.
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How can EVERYONE argue against him being the most efficient rookie EVER?

STOP! Why do you want to wait until he proves to be good enough, to you know, be a starter and stuff, to feel horrible about how your team passed up on him, or just to be able to pat yourself on the back for being able to see his greatness even before he showed any greatness. Do it NOW! Feel sick. Feel proud like his daddy. Go big or go home. That's not what they play the games for. Put him in the hall. That PER is off the wall.
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How can EVERYONE argue against him being the most efficient rookie EVER?

STOP! Why do you want to wait until he proves to be good enough, to you know, be a starter and stuff, to feel horrible about how your team passed up on him, or just to be able to pat yourself on the back for being able to see his greatness even before he showed any greatness. Do it NOW! Feel sick. Feel proud like his daddy. Go big or go home. That's not what they play the games for. Put him in the hall. That PER is off the wall.
Yes! That's what I'm saying! LX gets me!

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Yes! That's what I'm saying! LX gets me!

it seems like you two have two completely different views on drummond..
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