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Old 01-18-2013, 12:35 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It's stupid?

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Old 01-18-2013, 12:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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This is why I suggested last month that I think Monroe would be on the block one day.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:41 AM   #23 (permalink)
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This is why I suggested last month that I think Monroe would be on the block one day.
But they look like a good fit together long term.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:43 AM   #24 (permalink)
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It's stupid to suggest he's going to be better than LeBron, Kobe or Kyrie, but he's going to be a helluva player. It's almost guaranteed he'll be better than Ross. BC fucked up in not taking him. Shouldn't blame Ross though, it's BC's fault.
Why? Is healthy Dwight Howard better than Kyrie? I like young Drummond about as much as i did young Dwight. It's not like Kyrie has arrived. His D is still miles behind.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:49 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I really hope that DET gives this kid the chance to start some games after the all-star break. I REALLY want to see what he can do in 30+ min/gm.
Lawrence Frank was asked like 2 months ago why Drummon isn't starting. His answer wasn't "he's not ready" or "it takes time" or anything like that. He said something like "We are privy to things that fans aren't". Something weird like that.

I don't know how to interpret it.
"We know Drummond well. He won't be able to handle big minutes mentally."
"Dumars has asked me to tank. Drummon should start, but then we'd win."
"Dumars has asked me to feed minutes to Charlie V and Maxiell so we could boost their trade value."

One way or the other, this doesn't seem a basketball thing. From basketball point of view, it makes little sense. If it's a trade value thing, maybe he'll get minutes after the trade deadline. Or maybe he won't at all this year.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:34 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I know some feel that I'm blowing up this FT% but did anyone watch the Lakers/Miami game last night? Howard's horrible FT shooting was a big reason the Lakers lost momentum in the 4th...5-13....38%...much like Drummond's average. Disappointing, as that one stat pretty much negated what Howard did through out the game.

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The Lakers were trailing by just two points when Dwight Howard was fouled under the basket and stepped to the free-throw line with 1:51 remaining. He lined up his shot, raised his arms and then....shot an air ball. He put a little extra on his next attempt, but clanked it off the back of the rim. Allen then scored on the other end of the floor and the euphoria quickly spilled from the building. Howard made four of his first five free-throw attempts, but ultimately finished 5-for-13, dropping his season average to 50.1 percent from the line. NBA.com

I stated earlier I would take Drummond over Ed and I'm going to back away from that statement. With the current direction of the NBA, how the rules are and how the refs are calling the game, BIG bigs who can't shoot a FT if their life depended on it will be exposed and forced off the floor when it counts. Until the Shaq rule is eliminated, or a rule put in place disallowing excessive consecutive deliberate fouling, players like Drummond will have a difficult time reaching their full potential.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:38 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I stated earlier I would take Drummond over Ed and I'm going to back away from that statement. With the current direction of the NBA, how the rules are and how the refs are calling the game, BIG bigs who can't shoot a FT if their life depended on it will be exposed and forced off the floor when it counts. Until the Shaq rule is eliminated, or a rule put in place disallowing excessive consecutive deliberate fouling, players like Drummond will have a difficult time reaching their full potential.
How 'bout they learn to hit FT's?
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:50 AM   #28 (permalink)
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How 'bout they learn to hit FT's?
I'm sure franchises and the players have never thought of that

If only it were so easy. Shaq tried how many shot coaches...Howard has as well. I'm sure the team's with these centers have the resources - the players just don't seem to have that particular shot.
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If only it were so easy. Shaq tried how many shot coaches...Howard has as well. I'm sure the team's with these centers have the resources - the players just don't seem to have that particular shot.
my guess is it has to start at a young age, not sure it's as much a priority with young bigs growing up in north america as it is in europe.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:13 PM   #30 (permalink)
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my guess is it has to start at a young age, not sure it's as much a priority with young bigs growing up in north america as it is in europe.
My guess is it's all upstairs.
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Doesn't the Shaq rule prevent teams from fouling a bad FT shooter off the ball with less than 2 minutes remaining?
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:32 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Doesn't the Shaq rule prevent teams from fouling a bad FT shooter off the ball with less than 2 minutes remaining?
Except now teams are doing it throughout the game...this year I think it was the spurs? that started fouling in the first half or to start the second half of the game.

EDIT - ah I see, meant shaq rule expanded not eliminated.
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I'm curious, a flagrant foul is when there is an intentional foul, why doesn't the league call a flagrant every time a team tries to do the 'Hack-a-Shaq' strategy on someone. This way when the team that's being fouled will get a FT and the ball back - that wold kill that strategy in a hurry. I don't think a game should be decided in that manner, not exciting or entertaining at all.
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His only fault at this point is his inability to shoot free throws. Detroit better give up on him before it's too late.
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I'm curious, a flagrant foul is when there is an intentional foul, why doesn't the league call a flagrant every time a team tries to do the 'Hack-a-Shaq' strategy on someone. This way when the team that's being fouled will get a FT and the ball back - that wold kill that strategy in a hurry. I don't think a game should be decided in that manner, not exciting or entertaining at all.
That's not what flagrant means. And there is no such thing as an intentional foul.

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The NBA flagrant foul rule was enacted in the 1990s as an attempt to deter contact which, in addition to being against the rules, puts an opponent's safety and health at risk. The terminology in the NBA rulebook for contact that puts safety and health at risk is unnecessary and/or excessive contact.
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His only fault at this point is his inability to shoot free throws. Detroit better give up on him before it's too late.
I don't recall saying that. However, it will be a glaring weakness that every team will capitalize on.

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That's not what flagrant means. And there is no such thing as an intentional foul.

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I just meant fouling with intent. I find Wiki to be too general at times...here is right from NBA.com

Flagrant "1" (FFP1) - unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent. The opposing team is awarded two (2) free throws and possession.

Flagrant "2" (FFP2) - unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent. The opposing team is awarded two (2) free throws and possession and the player committing the foul is automatically ejected.

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I'm sure franchises and the players have never thought of that

If only it were so easy. Shaq tried how many shot coaches...Howard has as well. I'm sure the team's with these centers have the resources - the players just don't seem to have that particular shot.
Reportedly Rick Barry tried to teach Shaq to shoot underhanded:

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At one time, Barry says he almost had Shaq convinced to go underhanded, but the Lakers refused to hire him and Shaq was worried that the "granny style" would not be good for his hip-hop image.

Shaq was once quoted by Sports Illustrated as saying he would "shoot a negative percentage before I shot like that [underhanded]." Wilt Chamberlain, another iconic big man, shot underhanded free throws for a while but stopped because, as he once wrote, "I felt like a sissy."
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Reportedly Rick Barry tried to teach Shaq to shoot underhanded:
That's hilarious....wouldn't that be a sight to see. I remember the Rick Barry part but not the underhand shot lol
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I just meant fouling with intent. I find Wiki to be too general at times...here is right from NBA.com

Flagrant "1" (FFP1) - unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent. The opposing team is awarded two (2) free throws and possession.

Flagrant "2" (FFP2) - unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent. The opposing team is awarded two (2) free throws and possession and the player committing the foul is automatically ejected.
Intent is not at issue when a flagrant is called. I posted the wiki quote as a bit of history, not to show the letter of the rule. The letter does not speak to player intent, it speaks to the degree of the contact. And the history certainly speaks to the intent of the writers and the way it is refereed. This is an issue of health and safety not policing the reason for the foul.
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