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Old 08-13-2012, 08:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nice pickup for them, how many players do they have now.....22? Wonder how much it's for.

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@Jonathan_Feigen: Rockets have come to agreement w/Carlos Delfino on one-year deal, with team option on second season, per source

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Old 08-13-2012, 09:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice pickup for them, how many players do they have now.....22? Wonder how much it's for.
The team keeps gathering contracts for something...
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I can guarantee one thing. Their training camp is gonna be a goddamn dog-fight for a roster spot.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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he seemed ok during the olympics, he hardly lost anything over years
Houston can start him from the bench
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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we missed out... he's better than Fields.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I can guarantee one thing. Their training camp is gonna be a goddamn dog-fight for a roster spot.
Not really, they just need to cut 5 PF's and they're good to go.

Their lineup will probably look something like this

PG: Lin /Douglas
SG: Martin/Lamb /Delfino/Moore
SF: Parsons /Delfino/Forbes
PF: Patterson /Morris/Motiejunas / White
C: Asik /Jordan


Actually not that bad.
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Not really, they just need to cut 5 PF's and they're good to go.

Their lineup will probably look something like this

PG: Lin /Douglas
SG: Martin/Lamb /Delfino/Moore
SF: Parsons /Delfino/Forbes
PF: Patterson /Morris/Motiejunas / White
C: Asik /Jordan


Actually not that bad.
That's a pretty shitty lineup...... for now.... but they need to move Martin and rebuild.
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i think if they can make one big trade, not a howard type thing but a significant upgrade, probably at the SG postion that could be a very competitive team. Lin is decent, parsons had a superb rookie season, patterson is good and asik is a top defender.
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That's a pretty shitty lineup...... for now.... but they need to move Martin and rebuild.

Agreed, but I've seen a lot worse. Better than Orlando right now.
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i think if they can make one big trade, not a howard type thing but a significant upgrade, probably at the SG postion that could be a very competitive team. Lin is decent, parsons had a superb rookie season, patterson is good and asik is a top defender.
SG is the least of their problems. Martin/Lamb/Delfino is a pretty good depth there. Douglas sucks and should be their 3rd tier PG and I would say maybe SF is a postion to make a move with, maybe a 3rd Center @ Vet min. They're not in that bad a postion unless Lin is a complete bust.

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SG is the least of their problems. Martin/Lamb/Delfino is a pretty good depth there. Douglas sucks and should be their 3rd tier PG and I would say maybe SF is a postion to make a move with, maybe a 3rd Center @ Vet min. They're not in that bad a postion unless Lin is a complete bust.
yeah, depth is fine, but martin is struggling badly. They need one elite player, he used to be a big-time scorer.

getting a different 2nd choice PG and a 3rd C may be sensible moves but it's not gonna be what makes a big difference for them.

they're full of good players, need an elite. Certainly shouldn't be looking to get a SF. Parsons was just about their best player last season, in his rookie year! He's gonna be an excellent player.
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Asik is not a top defender... he's an energy guy with decent defensive skills.
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Asik is not a top defender... he's an energy guy with decent defensive skills.
Incorrect. I think the contract is insane at the moment for a guy who cant catch the ball on offence, but Asik is one of the best defensive Cs in the NBA as shown last year. Hes got great timing and his rotations on defence are quite impressive. He knows where to be on defence and he affects the way the other team plays offensively. Hes a game changer defensively IMO.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:57 AM   #14 (permalink)
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i'm still confused why orlando didnt take the houston deal

they could have had our pick, seeing whats going on with our division could end up being a top 10 pick this coming year if things don't go our way and philly turns out to be a contender instead of flopping, brooklyns move pan out and ther good this year, new york in a olympic year with carmelo on the team you know there going to be good
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Incorrect. I think the contract is insane at the moment for a guy who cant catch the ball on offence, but Asik is one of the best defensive Cs in the NBA as shown last year. Hes got great timing and his rotations on defence are quite impressive. He knows where to be on defence and he affects the way the other team plays offensively. Hes a game changer defensively IMO.
I'm not sure what your level of 'game changer' is but I disagree with that about Asik (and so does Chicago). Asik knew how to move in the system he was in and the players he had with him. He's a great back-up, fringe starter at best. D12, Bynum, Noah, Tyson Chandler, Nikola Pekovic, Javale McGee, Nene, Brook Lopez, Andrew Bogut, Anderson Varejao, Spencer Hawes, Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, Roy Hibbert, Marcin Gortat, Marc Gasol, Perkins, Blair, Okafor, Jordan, those are game changers. You can even consider adding A.Davis, JV, Drummond, as rookies that probably will have a bigger impact on the game than Asik will. Duncan (if he plays at Center) and stays healthy, same goes for Camby and Dalembert. You've way over valued Asik's impact - he's a back-up with 2.9ppg / 4.4rpg / .8bpg, so if you mean maintains his position in an average to above average level for a back-up then I agree.
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You seriously just called Kaman, Okafor, Blair(especially), Perkins, and Hawes game changers? Only a select few of centers in todays NBA impact the game positively on a game to game basis, as most are extremely inconsistent with a key aspect of the game(effort, offence, defence, or awareness, or just not being able to play due to injury).

Out of the guys you listed, the only ones who have a consistent positive impact on a game to game basis are D12, Bynum, Chandler, Varajao, Hibbert, Gasol, and Gortat.

Noahs effort and energy in the first part of last year was very questionable, Pekovic got it together in the 2nd half of the year but was very inconsistent in the 1st half, Mcgee is an enigma and you dont know what you're going to get game to game on either side of the ball, Nenes production tailed off and hes always injured, Bogut the same, Monroes defence is very suspect, as is Jeffersons. Brook Lopez' rebounding and effort on defence has always been a big question for him, and DeMarcus Cousins offensive inefficiency and inconsistency often hurts the Kings with him being the #1 guy, though his D did improve last year, and he obviously has the best shot of anyone not named Bynum and Dwight to be the next best center.

So, as stated, the center position is not full of game changers. Its full of players who have big weaknesses in their game that hold them back from being big time players. Asiks is offence because he cant catch the ball and doesnt have a move in his memory that he can complete 2 times in a row. But again, everytime I've seen him play, hes played like a veteran C on defence. He doesnt pick up stupid fouls, hes almost always in the right place at the right time, he affects a ton of shots, and hes a good rebounder. If he can put up 7+9+2 and play the same defence as he did with Chicago he'll be a very effective piece and arguably worth his contract.

When hes played 20+ mpg he's had a few 10+ rebounding games and multiple 2+ bpg. Hes very skilled on the defensive side of the ball, so I cant see why he wont be a positive contributor in more minutes. Its hard to put up bigger stats when you're not playing a lot and your minutes vary every game. Then again, who knows, maybe it was just the system he was in and he'll just turn out to be a big body who doesnt do much. It's a tough one to judge, but I've liked what I've seen from him in the times I've watched him play.

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I'm not sold that Asik is as good as you're suggesting. He's solid, but he's been hyped up considerably the last few years.... and I think you're selling alot of those guys name short.
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Given the opportunity I could see Okur developing a solid offensive game as well.
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Given the opportunity I could see Okur developing a solid offensive game as well.
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You seriously just called Kaman, Okafor, Blair(especially), Perkins, and Hawes game changers? Only a select few of centers in todays NBA impact the game positively on a game to game basis, as most are extremely inconsistent with a key aspect of the game(effort, offence, defence, or awareness, or just not being able to play due to injury).

Out of the guys you listed, the only ones who have a consistent positive impact on a game to game basis are D12, Bynum, Chandler, Varajao, Hibbert, Gasol, and Gortat.

Noahs effort and energy in the first part of last year was very questionable, Pekovic got it together in the 2nd half of the year but was very inconsistent in the 1st half, Mcgee is an enigma and you dont know what you're going to get game to game on either side of the ball, Nenes production tailed off and hes always injured, Bogut the same, Monroes defence is very suspect, as is Jeffersons. Brook Lopez' rebounding and effort on defence has always been a big question for him, and DeMarcus Cousins offensive inefficiency and inconsistency often hurts the Kings with him being the #1 guy, though his D did improve last year, and he obviously has the best shot of anyone not named Bynum and Dwight to be the next best center.

So, as stated, the center position is not full of game changers. Its full of players who have big weaknesses in their game that hold them back from being big time players. Asiks is offence because he cant catch the ball and doesnt have a move in his memory that he can complete 2 times in a row. But again, everytime I've seen him play, hes played like a veteran C on defence. He doesnt pick up stupid fouls, hes almost always in the right place at the right time, he affects a ton of shots, and hes a good rebounder. If he can put up 7+9+2 and play the same defence as he did with Chicago he'll be a very effective piece and arguably worth his contract.

When hes played 20+ mpg he's had a few 10+ rebounding games and multiple 2+ bpg. Hes very skilled on the defensive side of the ball, so I cant see why he wont be a positive contributor in more minutes. Its hard to put up bigger stats when you're not playing a lot and your minutes vary every game. Then again, who knows, maybe it was just the system he was in and he'll just turn out to be a big body who doesnt do much. It's a tough one to judge, but I've liked what I've seen from him in the times I've watched him play.
Get a fucking grip...they and everyone else I listed are more of a game presence than Asik will ever be and I would take anyone on that list ahead of Asik. You can try to spin it any way you'd like but you called Asik a game changer and now you're falling back to 'imo' based on potential of what you think if Asik had more minutes and rounding his 'per' up - and that's f'n bs. He's average for a back-up, his 'simple rating' court production last year was -1.2 with a -0.3 net production, that tells me he can hold his own against back-ups which is what I had indicated earlier - absolutely acceptable for a back-up and what I've seen watching him play. I like Asik but seriously, by your logic he will let in more points with more minutes as well - thats not a defensive presence. I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing cause your insistence that Asik is this defensive presence does not make sense.

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