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Old 12-09-2011, 09:06 AM   #141 (permalink)
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You don't consider Paul by far to be the biggest name in that deal?
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:07 AM   #142 (permalink)
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ummm whoever wants to buy the team can do whatever they want with paul. they can turn around and make the exact same deal if they pleased. i don't see why you'd be angry about this.
I don't agree with that. To put a deal together now to sell the team would have to be done before the trade deadline in order to get something for Paul and with how close it is that scenario is highly unlikely. As well, those pieces involved may not be there, or traded to other teams or the team may have gone in another direction. Another component to this trade was the next one fore the Lakers where potentially Howard goes there. No, the league just fucked NO, Demps knows it and wants to get the fuck outta Dodge.

edit: correction, the owners just fucked NO

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Old 12-09-2011, 09:10 AM   #143 (permalink)
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No, the league just fucked NO, Demps knows it and wants to get the fuck outta Dodge.
If I were Demps, I'd be doing nothing this whole season.
Just wait around, collecting pay cheques waiting to get fired.
He can't do anything else anyway.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:12 AM   #144 (permalink)
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If I were Demps, I'd be doing nothing this whole season.
Just wait around, collecting pay cheques waiting to get fired.
He can't do anything else anyway.
Yay, kinda feel bad for that guy. I thought the overall trade was great and now he potentially gets to watch Paul leave for nothing and sign scrubs - gonna be great for the resume.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:17 AM   #145 (permalink)
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i can't believe anyone is trying to argue that this was good trade for nola. dan gilbert's letter, if indeed real, is exactly right. this is a different kind of situation thatn the gasol-kwame deal. that one was bad enough, but at least there was a financial trade-off. this one was just a fleecing, and although there were some decent players involved, they were all getting up in age, the draft picks were likely to be middling, and the financial implications for nola were awful. that was a recipie for miring that team in muck. they are better off clearing space and seeing what they can do after paul leaves.

all that said, he is still very much tradeable, and there are probably several teams that can offer good packages, including financial relief and good prospects. it may not be paul's favourite destination, but suck it up buttercup. that's business.
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That's not what's peeving me 'Trane, the point to me is the owners have no business getting involved, they should have no say what so ever - it's a business and it's competitive and some deals are terrible, good or great but the governing body shouldn't dictate the direction of their competition. Nothing the owners can say will not be subject to scrutiny to ascertain if their motives are self serving (and how can they not be?) If the teams involved feel this is the best deal given the time frame then they should be allowed to do it regardless of what their competition thinks.
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That's not what's peeving me 'Trane, the point to me is the owners have no business getting involved, they should have no say what so ever - it's a business and it's competitive and some deals are terrible, good or great but the governing body shouldn't dictate the direction of their competition. Nothing the owners can say will not be subject to scrutiny to ascertain if their motives are self serving (and how can they not be?) If the teams involved feel this is the best deal given the time frame then they should be allowed to do it regardless of what their competition thinks.
the nba owns one of the teams, and the revenue sharing principle makes the owners all stakeholders. they have to have a say.
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Have to add as well that any move NO makes will be under intense scrutiny from every angle, I can not imagine a scenario where Demps says 'lets take a deal that's less that what we can get'
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the nba owns one of the teams, and the revenue sharing principle makes the owners all stakeholders. they have to have a say.
no they shouldn't, it goes against everything the owners were talking about, about competitive fairness. The league owning a team was a terrible idea to begin with but since they did they should definitely stay out of the running of the team or this happens. Nothing the owners can say now will not look self serving.

And just an aside, Gilbert is a douche but the way he's throwing his weight around, he's gonna be running this league in his image.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:33 AM   #150 (permalink)
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chris paul will not show up at training camp.
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the nba owns one of the teams, and the revenue sharing principle makes the owners all stakeholders. they have to have a say.
It's a tricky situation - the only reason there is no conflict of interest in the league owning a team is because when they bought the team they stated that they would allow the executives on the team complete executive power, within some guidelines. Otherwise, the various teams could nix a deal like this not because they care what happens to the Hornets (the priority a single owner would have) but because of the repercussions to their own teams. This is the very definition of a conflict of interest.

If this action was indeed driven by the outcry of owners, then the league is in the wrong here. Now it is up to the league to say that the reasoning was based on a pre-established guideline that NBA ownership passed to the executives of the team, but that will be difficult considering that the Hornets GM claims the league was kept up to date on the transaction during the process, and it wasn't until late last night the deal was axed.
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chris paul will not show up at training camp.
Nor apparently will Lamar Odom, or he at least threatens that on twitter.
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dan gilbert's letter, if indeed real, is exactly right.
Gilbert's email is a largely an argument about competitive balance. He is upset that a big-market team has a good chance at continuing to be successful, while he toils away in Cleveland. It seems clear to me that he is writing from the perspective of an owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers, rather than as an acting owner of the New Orleans Hornets. He's worried that his team is going to be a "Washington General."

Notice Gilbert never says anything about any of the negatives of stopping this deal, including the near certainty that the Hornets will not get a deal this good again, and may lose Paul for nothing in the summer because of this. Or that they've just shit on Demps. Or that the league willingly allowed these teams to destroy their relationship with players they ended up forcing them to keep.

I don't know exactly where I stand on this one, but I really, really dispute that this was the other owners acting as Hornet's owners. They were looking after themselves.
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It's a tricky situation - the only reason there is no conflict of interest in the league owning a team is because when they bought the team they stated that they would allow the executives on the team complete executive power, within some guidelines. Otherwise, the various teams could nix a deal like this not because they care what happens to the Hornets (the priority a single owner would have) but because of the repercussions to their own teams. This is the very definition of a conflict of interest.

If this action was indeed driven by the outcry of owners, then the league is in the wrong here. Now it is up to the league to say that the reasoning was based on a pre-established guideline that NBA ownership passed to the executives of the team, but that will be difficult considering that the Hornets GM claims the league was kept up to date on the transaction during the process, and it wasn't until late last night the deal was axed.
Well put DanH and exactly what I was trying to say but you said it much more eloquently.

IF Paul pursues legal action he has a legitimate case. This move certainly puts a negative light on the owners
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apparently the email was leaked, and we still don't know the percentage of owners that nixed the trade.
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apparently the email was leaked, and we still don't know the percentage of owners that nixed the trade.
From what we've heard, there was not necessarily a "percentage" of owners nixing the trade. Stern heard from at least a few owners (number totally uncertain) and made the call himself, based on twitter reports.
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im glad lakers got fucked over. i mean the team has been through multiple dynastys over the last decade and change. i mean why should the same teams always win...i hope pau or odom dont report, and the team implodes internally like a red sox are in baseball. its time teams like tha suffer for a change....also i really hope chris paul is devestated. buddy cant get what he wants just because hes an all-star

and also, its weird that fans of the nba have been complaining about how unbalanced the league is yet they are up in arms about this trade being nixed......its either one side or the other :cookie:
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Bill Simmons laments how far the NBA has fallen in the wake of the Chris Paul situation - Grantland

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Just know that I'm a die-hard Celtics fan and die-hard Lakers hater … and even I am appalled. I hope Chris Paul sues. I hope the Rockets sue. I hope the Lakers sue. I hope Dell Demps resigns and makes a sex tape with a stripper wearing a David Stern Halloween mask. Whatever happens, the season has been irrevocably tainted — we just watched FIVE teams have their seasons screwed up by this debacle. Houston's three-year plan just went up in smoke; now the Rockets have to make up with their two best players. (Good luck with that.) The Lakers need to determine if their relationship with the notoriously sensitive Gasol and the even more notoriously sensitive Odom is salvageable; and if it's not, what then? The Hornets are just plain screwed. It's a basketball catastrophe for them. As for the Celtics, Pinocchio Ainge's ill-fated pursuit of Paul ruined the team's relationship with Rajon Rondo, only its best young player. Even the Knicks got screwed — supposedly they closed the deal with Tyson Chandler yesterday, never expecting Paul to become available this summer (and now they can't chase him).

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My heart bleeds for them all.

The NBA houses the best players on the planet, but honestly, it's a fucking joke. The players are idiots, the owners are idiots, and the Commish is completely willing to rig anything they choose to.

Its the fans that get fucked.
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My heart bleeds for them all.

The NBA houses the best players on the planet, but honestly, it's a fucking joke. The players are idiots, the owners are idiots, and the Commish is completely willing to rig anything they choose to.

Its the fans that get fucked.
BINGO !!
i posted this in another thread but feel it's needed here a well...the players, owners, execs, Stern etc etc all need to do this


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