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Old 12-09-2011, 01:44 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Seems like almost a no-win situation for the league. If the Lakers landed Paul, it probably would have been the first step towards LA re-loading and constantly staying in the top 5 of the league. If this move helped them bring in Dwight down the road, then people would think the league is unofficially rigged for certain markets. But the altnernative we see here is no better. Yes, the owners have control of the Hornets, but it's such an obvious conflict of interests to have people deciding the fate of moves involving other competitors. The Hornets are kind of a fake team due to this lack of normal executive structure/authority.
Indeed. But it was a no-win situation ever since recession hit and Hornets couldn't stay afloat. Or you could say even since Jordan times when player salaries went out of hand while NBA franchise valuations were going up by 10% each year and everyone stopped caring about finances.
The league had to give that bail out to George Shinn. He had no means to continue. His net worth was somewhere below 100 mil which was far less than Hornets debts. And Hornets were losing millions each year BEFORE debt payments and interest. There was no way out for Shinn.
If the league had a legit billionaire for every team, it would have avoided this situation with CP3. But as long as you have guys like Shinn owning a team and being well over their heads financially, it's better to just bail them out, find a new strong owner and risk CP3 situations in the meantime. It's better than letting the team go under, or Shinn stripping the team of assets and selling them off and running the team out of his basement, or whatever else he would have done.

When you look at it this way, the options weren't pretty from the start:
1. leave Shinn and Hornets on their own; potential PR nightmare
2. bail him out and risk CP3 situations for a couple years; potential PR nightmare for those couple years
3. accept one of those St. Louis Kansas City etc offers from groups wanting to relocate; potential PR nightmare

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Old 12-09-2011, 01:51 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Good. If he wants to play in LA he should go sign for the MLE.
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Old 12-09-2011, 02:02 AM   #123 (permalink)
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The one thing that bothers me here is that it seems quite predictable. This is exactly the same reason that killed the OJ Mayo trade between Hornets, Memphis and Pacers last year. Hornets were told back then, YOU CAN'T TAKE ON LONG TERM MONEY. Or so we heard from Woj&co at Yahoo&espn.
And now, they go out and take on 40-50 mil.
Really, couldn't this be communicated properly in advance?
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Old 12-09-2011, 02:26 AM   #124 (permalink)
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This is garbage. My team just went from a possible 3-peat (they would have acquired Dwight, IMO) to an unattractive destination for stars in a matter of hours. Lakers are WAY worse off than 24 hours ago. Ridiculous.
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This is garbage. My team just went from a possible 3-peat (they would have acquired Dwight, IMO) to an unattractive destination for stars in a matter of hours. Lakers are WAY worse off than 24 hours ago. Ridiculous.
Are you serious??

Kobe, Pau, Odom & Bynum are all still in LA right now. They just won a title 2 years ago. Why in God's name would the Lakers ever be seen as an "unattractive destination"?

Let's not get melodramatic here.
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*edit* what torap said

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Are you serious??

Kobe, Pau, Odom & Bynum are all still in LA right now. They just won a title 2 years ago. Why in God's name would the Lakers ever be seen as an "unattractive destination"?

Let's not get melodramatic here.
Would you expect Odom and Gasol to be motivated? That was questionable BEFORE they found out they were being dealt. How do you think they feel now? How are they not worse off?
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I take back the "unattractive destination" statement. However, we are still worse off.
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The score just ran a report related to this.

1- Odom has suggested he won't report to training camp. So, at the very least, things could be a little tense. No word on how well Gasol is reacting.

2- Dwight (or his agent) has allegedly informed NJ and Orl that Dwight is interested in playing for New Jersey.

So, I certainly won't be shedding any tears for the Lakers, but things are definitely not looking as rosie as they were 24 hours ago.

It will be interesting to see if things blow over quickly, or if the Lakers end up making alternative moves. Simply because of their less than champion-like performance late in last year's regular season and during the playoffs, I think a fair number of people expected L.A. to do something substantial this off-season or early in the regular season, regardless of whether they landed Paul or Dwight.
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:20 AM   #131 (permalink)
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I take back the "unattractive destination" statement. However, we are still worse off.
sure. it was a worthy risk though .They should've seen this possibility considering last year's Hornets trading situation and they probably did. But they went for a home run, and the only downside is some chemistry issues. They'll be fine, they went through much bigger challenges. It was worth the risk.
Besides, they still might get Dwight.
Or they might even still get CP3 --- if they find a 4th team to take on all the long contracts and give Hornets cheap ones, cap space and picks, the other owners would have far less justification for a veto. Like, get Wolves involved, they've been trying to send pieces and picks for Kevin Martin last year iirc. Or something like that. Long shot but a shot.
I'm sure ~25 teams would love to be in Lakers' situation.
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sure. it was a worthy risk though .They should've seen this possibility considering last year's Hornets trading situation and they probably did. But they went for a home run, and the only downside is some chemistry issues. They'll be fine, they went through much bigger challenges. It was worth the risk.
Besides, they still might get Dwight.
Or they might even still get CP3 --- if they find a 4th team to take on all the long contracts and give Hornets cheap ones, cap space and picks, the other owners would have far less justification for a veto. Like, get Wolves involved, they've been trying to send pieces and picks for Kevin Martin last year iirc. Or something like that. Long shot but a shot.
I'm sure ~25 teams would love to be in Lakers' situation.
The whole plan since they got swept has been to acquire Dwight. Bringing in Paul was just something no one saw coming. It would make Dwight even more interesting in playing for LA. If they get just Dwight, and no Paul, I will still be happy. Although I'm not sure how Gasol/Odom would play if they were kept around. Shit, man. This situation has just guaranteed Miami championships. That Paul trade goes through and Kobe fills the other hand. Can't believe it.
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Following the NBA's decision to kill his trade of Chris Paul, Dell Demps considered stepping down from his job on Thursday as GM of the Hornets, league sources said, but was talked out of it.

Demps made a trade that was lauded by some of his peers throughout the league.

Officials involved in the trade talks said the league office was consulted throughout the negotiations, and there was never an indication Demps didn’t have the power to make a deal.

Several teams negotiating with New Orleans to get Paul asked the league office, and were told Demps had full authority to execute a trade.

But David Stern listened to enraged owners on Thursday insist this trade went against everything the lockout was intended to fix.

As one rival executive with strong ties to the league office said, “Stern cared about two things: Selling that franchise for the best possible price; and showing the players that they weren’t going to dictate where teams could trade them. But now, there’s no way that the league can allow Chris Paul to be traded at all, otherwise Stern is basically deciding where one of the top players in the league is going versus having any fair process.”

The Lakers were going to send Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom in exchange for Paul, while the Rockets were also involved by sending Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic and a first round pick.

“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put into make that deal.

“To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.

“I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?”

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports


Read more: League Office Was Consulted Throughout Paul Trade Process - RealGM Wiretap
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:48 AM   #134 (permalink)
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Doesn't nixing this deal fuck NOLA the most. It basically ensures that they can't get anything for paul. That was a pretty sweet deal they put together, considering the two biggest names were going to the other teams.
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Doesn't nixing this deal fuck NOLA the most. It basically ensures that they can't get anything for paul. That was a pretty sweet deal they put together, considering the two biggest names were going to the other teams.
You don't consider Paul by far to be the biggest name in that deal?
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i'm more than curious if there are any potential buyers for the hornets. it sucks that the nba is going to hold their assets hostage, but i get it. business. it'd just be in their best interest to just hurry up and sell.
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i'm more than curious if there are any potential buyers for the hornets. it sucks that the nba is going to hold their assets hostage, but i get it. business. it'd just be in their best interest to just hurry up and sell.
Any person actively looking to buy the Hornets knows they're not getting CP3 resigned.
Now they also know they're not getting anything at all for him.

The NBA will be lucky to sell the team for 100 mil.
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The one thing that bothers me here is that it seems quite predictable. This is exactly the same reason that killed the OJ Mayo trade between Hornets, Memphis and Pacers last year. Hornets were told back then, YOU CAN'T TAKE ON LONG TERM MONEY. Or so we heard from Woj&co at Yahoo&espn.
And now, they go out and take on 40-50 mil.
Really, couldn't this be communicated properly in advance?
I don't believe this has anything to do with the contracts. In order to sell a business you need to make it viable with viable assets, sometimes assets have longer contracts, maybe not the best but not a scenario where the return of the contract is less than the value - and I don't believe the Paul trade falls into that. As a buyer I wouldnt have touched the Hornets with where they were heading player wise and no assets to work with for trades, no commodities - especially when Paul left. As a buyer I certainly would find Paul, Odom, Scola, Matin, Dragic and a 1st round pick for Paul, plus NO own pick a helluva lot MORE enticing and attractive than where NO was heading. And as an added note, from a 'fair competition' in business stand point, what the owners have just done should have not been allowed - that's like Toyota, Kia, Honda, Nissan as an Eastern automotive group joining together and making decisions for Ford - of course they are going to make the best decisions possible to benefit Ford right?
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ummm whoever wants to buy the team can do whatever they want with paul. they can turn around and make the exact same deal if they pleased. i don't see why you'd be angry about this.
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ummm whoever wants to buy the team can do whatever they want with paul. they can turn around and make the exact same deal if they pleased. i don't see why you'd be angry about this.
No one is buying the team this season.
So no, they can't do whatever they want.
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