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Old 12-08-2011, 11:33 PM   #101 (permalink)
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It was a good deal for the Hornets but it was a bad one for the league, and since David Stern is in charge of both they could do it. And if Stern does have the ability to stop any trade then for Lebron and Bosh it would have been different because they were free agent signings, sure they did it sign and trade but if he put a stop to that then it would just be screwing over Cavs and Raps even worse because they would get absolutely nothing.
he couldn't put a stop to those because that would be against CBA.
But the owner has the final say no matter what, and no matter who the owner is. And Hornets are owned by the NBA / the other 29 owners.
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:38 PM   #102 (permalink)
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this only happened because the league owns the team... they just want Paul on the Raptors
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:41 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:43 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Who's twitter is that? Paul's?
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:47 PM   #105 (permalink)
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nice work valanciunasfanboy for bringing reason into this.
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:47 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Who's twitter is that? Paul's?
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:48 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:51 PM   #108 (permalink)
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So the league knew that the Hornets were negotiating this trade for a while, but waited until the last possible minute to kill it. Kind of dumb.

When the league took over the Hornets, it was kind of expected that something like this might come up.

What a great way to ring in the new CBA.
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:55 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Wow feel bad for Gasol, there goes the team unity
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:55 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Nix'ing this trade means they either have to remove the hornets from the league at the end of the year, or have them sold by then.
And whoever is buying them, needs to know he's getting absolutely no talent when Paul leaves, instead of actually getting some role players.
Good job NBA, continue to show how fucking retarded you are.
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"Maybe you'll see me there tomorrow," Odom said. "But I doubt it. You don't want to go no place you're not wanted. I'll try to give them what they want as much as possible."
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:07 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Ouch, I could imagine the way that Odom is feeling right now. But they still need to act professional about it rather than act like babies!!
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:11 AM   #113 (permalink)
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The owners must have threatened to kill the new CBA and therefore Stern's leadership/credibility if the trade was approved ... they had no other leverage ... if this trade had been announced after the owner's approved the CBA it wouldn't have been stopped.

This is just terrible news for NOH and seems to me that the other owners want the franchise closed down. As others have said, it was decent value in return for CP3, all other owners will be gun shy to trade for him, then he walks at the end of the season and NOH gets nothing ...

All in all it just seems so unprofessional. First the fiasco in MIA last year, then a lockout that just shuffles a few deck chairs in the sinking ship, now this drama.

NCAA ball just keeps looking better and better ...
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:32 AM   #114 (permalink)
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As one rival executive with strong ties to the league office said, “Stern cared about two things: Selling that franchise for the best possible price; and showing the players that they weren’t going to dictate where teams could trade them. But now, there’s no way that the league can allow Chris Paul to be traded at all, otherwise Stern is basically deciding where one of the top players in the league is going versus having any fair process.”

Officials from New Orleans, Houston and Los Angeles were stunned Thursday night. The killed trade had ripple affects everywhere in free agency and potential trades, and literally pushed the market into paralysis on the even of training camps opening up.

“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put into make that deal.

“How do the Lakers explain this to Odom? How does Houston deal with the guys it just tried to trade? Scola and Martin are going to be pissed at them, and who knows how long that takes to get over? Explain to me how the league kills this Pau Gasol deal, but allows Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol?

“To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.

“I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?”


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Old 12-09-2011, 12:49 AM   #115 (permalink)
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As one rival executive with strong ties to the league office said, “Stern cared about two things: Selling that franchise for the best possible price; and showing the players that they weren’t going to dictate where teams could trade them. But now, there’s no way that the league can allow Chris Paul to be traded at all, otherwise Stern is basically deciding where one of the top players in the league is going versus having any fair process.”

Officials from New Orleans, Houston and Los Angeles were stunned Thursday night. The killed trade had ripple affects everywhere in free agency and potential trades, and literally pushed the market into paralysis on the even of training camps opening up.

“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put into make that deal.

“How do the Lakers explain this to Odom? How does Houston deal with the guys it just tried to trade? Scola and Martin are going to be pissed at them, and who knows how long that takes to get over? Explain to me how the league kills this Pau Gasol deal, but allows Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol?

“To me, this makes the league feel like it’s rigged, that Stern just does whatever Stern wants to do. He’s messed up the competitive balance of this league a lot worse by killing the deal, because you’ve completely destroyed the planning that New Orleans, Houston did and left them in shambles over this. I’ve never been so discouraged about this league, never so down.

“I mean, come on: Chris Paul is leaving New Orleans in 66 games. He’s gone. And what’s Dell Demps, and that franchise, going to have to show for it?”


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^ This sums it all,

Pretty much everything I had said in this thread with my comments about the Brown for Gasol trade and players feelings. Its clear now that Paul isnt going to be traded anywhere else, and that tey will get nothing in return. He most likely isnt going to try his best efforts for sure this season or might not even play at all. Unless Stern does something ridiculous and make him have to accept an offer from the Hornets (but that is going to far). Its even crazy hearing law suits going out as well after this trade..

After the lockout, this drama just makes the NBA decline and I dont think things will get any better
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:51 AM   #116 (permalink)
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Dan Gilbert letter to David Stern...

Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….


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Old 12-09-2011, 01:04 AM   #117 (permalink)
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Today was a turrible day for the NBA.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:06 AM   #118 (permalink)
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Wonder how Kobe feels about the whole situation. Anyone think he's a little relieved?
My thoughts exactly; Odom and Pau are worth more talent-wise than CP3, and they're worth more than CP3 to Kobe Bryant and the Lakers' chances of winning a chip.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:17 AM   #119 (permalink)
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This is really a tough one. Everyone's shocked and admittedly the League and Stern/Owners should have set clearer rules on how a team being owned BY the NBA (the real issue here) could or could not affect its ability to do business. You could say that it's bs because they allowed the Carl Landry trade, or you could say the owners own that team and if it did actually go down to a vote (which I certainly hope it did), then they were completely in the right in making that decision, but there's a lot of grey zones here.

One thing I have to do though is thank David Stern for his last great act as commissioner of the NBA; bringing back the Seattle Supersonics!
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:26 AM   #120 (permalink)
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Seems like almost a no-win situation for the league. If the Lakers landed Paul, it probably would have been the first step towards LA re-loading and constantly staying in the top 5 of the league. If this move helped them bring in Dwight down the road, then people would think the league is unofficially rigged for certain markets. But the altnernative we see here is no better. Yes, the owners have control of the Hornets, but it's such an obvious conflict of interests to have people deciding the fate of moves involving other competitors. The Hornets are kind of a fake team due to this lack of normal executive structure/authority.
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