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Old 01-07-2013, 03:23 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah, he's probably not officially on the market. I believe Sac is turning down all the offers until they see interest from a few particular teams that have attractive assets, and only then would Sac start talking. Boston is not one of those teams; the Celts just can't offer anything of fair value unless the package includes Rondo.

Out of curiousity, if Colangelo offered a package that included Lowry and Val, and the Kings bite, who would be cool with that?
I wouldn't because you have to have some idea of the future. We're already bereft of good bigs (now that the Bargnani delusion has finally been shattered) and JV has considerably more potential than Ed at this point so I'd rather do something like Lowry + Ross + 2nd rounder. So basically it's not happening. If it were even momentarily considered I wouldn't do it without Cousins signing a long-term extension. I would need to make sure we have him at a reasonable price for 4+ years because at that point our team is basically DeMar, Cousins, Ross, Ed and Fields
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I wouldn't because you have to have some idea of the future. We're already bereft of good bigs (now that the Bargnani delusion has finally been shattered) and JV has considerably more potential than Ed at this point so I'd rather do something like Lowry + Ross + 2nd rounder. So basically it's not happening. If it were even momentarily considered I wouldn't do it without Cousins signing a long-term extension. I would need to make sure we have him at a reasonable price for 4+ years because at that point our team is basically DeMar, Cousins, Ross, Ed and Fields
No matter what team he is on, Cousins will get the max on his next contract. Not the huge max; the one available to players coming off their rookie contracts. He'll get Marc Gasol and Hibbert type of money. A contract starting at around $14 mill. But that wouldn't start for a couple of years.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:28 AM   #23 (permalink)
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No matter what team he is on, Cousins will get the max on his next contract. Not the huge max; the one available to players coming off their rookie contracts. He'll get Marc Gasol and Hibbert type of money. A contract starting at around $14 mill. But that wouldn't start for a couple of years.
Whatever is "reasonable". I think with his attitude problems and putting up big numbers on bad teams he'd only get Ibaka money.
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We'd be left without the guarantee of a proven starter. In that hypothetical, we'd probably get back Brooks or Thomas as filler, and then there is always the possibility of re-signing Clapperon for a couple of years.

Just curious if people would do it.
I wouldn't. I'd rather keep Val, another potential star who probably will never ever cause us any trouble or concerns off the court and also a guy who you would think would be loyal and re-sign for years to come, and Lowry, a guy who when is on his game is one of the best PG's in the conference. Cousins, while a fuckin' beast with no comparison AT THE MOMENT to Val, has major major immaturity issues like co-operating with teammates and refs, being held accountable and just being a real annoying nuisance to everyone surrounding his team. I see him skipping off to a major market after his contract. I think some people might disagree though and take him.
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Whatever is "reasonable". I think with his attitude problems and putting up big numbers on bad teams he'd only get Ibaka money.
Ibaka money is only a little under the max. I really think Cousins will get the max when the time comes. It's hard to find talented centers, so I suspect there will be a situation like with Hibbert (initially signed the offer sheet from Portland) where a team with cap space signs him to a max offer sheet, if the team that owns his rights doesn't offer a max extension. Just my opinion.

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I wouldn't. I'd rather keep Val, another potential star who probably will never ever cause us any trouble or concerns off the court and also a guy who you would think would be loyal and re-sign for years to come, and Lowry, a guy who when is on his game is one of the best PG's in the conference. Cousins, while a fuckin' beast with no comparison AT THE MOMENT to Val, has major major immaturity issues like co-operating with teammates and refs, being held accountable and just being a real annoying nuisance to everyone surrounding his team. I see him skipping off to a major market after his contract. I think some people might disagree though and take him.
That's why I was curious what people think. So far, no takers.
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with teammates like Garnet whom can take him under their wing, i would say yes.
but we don't have player like that in our roster. so no.

but also, you have to ask yourself what's going on in Sac many player don't seem happy, many looks like headcase, and they are the best player in that team. so maybe, cousins problem is more the frustration than anything else (like for evans). but i don't know, i just put it on the table.

but i think miami could go for him.
chris Bosh for cousins and fillers.
there he will be more a star, so he will be happier (or maybe not)
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with teammates like Garnet whom can take him under their wing, i would say yes.
but we don't have player like that in our roster. so no.

but also, you have to ask yourself what's going on in Sac many player don't seem happy, many looks like headcase, and they are the best player in that team. so maybe, cousins problem is more the frustration than anything else (like for evans). but i don't know, i just put it on the table.

but i think miami could go for him.
chris Bosh for cousins and fillers.
there he will be more a star, so he will be happier (or maybe not)
Yah I gotta agree. But everyone knows Bosh will cry like a baby lol
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Yah I gotta agree. But everyone knows Bosh will cry like a baby lol
last thing miami does is trade bosh. without Bosh miami just isn't the same. lebron can't do it on his own, as we saw in cleveland, and cousins is far from a guaranteed success.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:44 AM   #29 (permalink)
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hoopshype is shooting down the rumors. I think SAC would be better off trading the rest of team and building around cousins.
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hoopshype is shooting down the rumors. I think SAC would be better off trading the rest of team and building around cousins.
Building around a nut that has never demonstrated an ounce of leadership?
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oh i'm with you. But talent wise he has potential to be the most skilled at the 5 spot. I have never seen any center guard one and two like he does. Trading him will never bring you value, with the stigma he carries with him. And look at the Kings Its not like they're burst with focus/ determined leadership. So in all reality Its going to be cheaper/ more succcesful buying/ trading for that leadership. If you were the GM of the kings who are you going trade? Evans/ solomans/ thorton/ Jimmer/ Brooks. Thes guys grow on trees. Cousins is a once in a life time nut job.
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i said in the game thread that he was a loose cannon...wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him at this point
he'll either be VERY good...or end up playing with 5 different teams over the next 10 years

i wouldn't touch him with a 20 foot pole
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:39 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Cousins is undeniably a top 3 center, some even have been saying the best in the league right now

He will get a max contract no questions asked.

I can't see the Maloof's letting Cousins go. Everything I've read is that he loves Sacramento, so until he tells ownership he is not willing to resign with them, they will keep Cousins and replace head coaches and teammates.

Cousins was the clear best talent over John Wall coming out of Kentucky as well, of course there were and still are questions about his conditioning, maturity, and motivation towards the game of basketball, i'd risk it in a heart beat though to be honest. We all saw what he did versus us on Friday, i'll take pure talent over character any day of the week.
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Dude is awesome. he and JV would be unbelievable. Cousins would play the 4 and destroy
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Sac wont trade him, he's too talented.
if they're smart they get a few Vets to come in and keep him in check. he's really young and has a lot of maturing to do. i think they will be patient with him.
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Yeah, he's probably not officially on the market. I believe Sac is turning down all the offers until they see interest from a few particular teams that have attractive assets, and only then would Sac start talking. Boston is not one of those teams; the Celts just can't offer anything of fair value unless the package includes Rondo.

Out of curiousity, if Colangelo offered a package that included Lowry and Val, and the Kings bite, who would be cool with that?
Too much. And I would prefer to keep JV. I come back to any package with a third team involcing any/all of something like Ross, Bargnani, Klieza (or Calderon) for Salmons and DMC.

JV isn't ready for primetime minutes for a year and a half anyway. Bigs always get hurt. We are set with DMC/ED starting, JV/Amir playing back-up at either. Then we just still need a SF.
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Too much. And I would prefer to keep JV. I come back to any package with a third team involcing any/all of something like Ross, Bargnani, Klieza (or Calderon) for Salmons and DMC.

JV isn't ready for primetime minutes for a year and a half anyway. Bigs always get hurt. We are set with DMC/ED starting, JV/Amir playing back-up at either. Then we just still need a SF.
No point in playing out scenarios of him as a Raptor. He's never coming here lol
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That's why I was curious what people think. So far, no takers.

we don't have the leadership needed to mature him, and i don't believe garnett is that guy either. actually, i think cousins would kick garnett's ass if he went at him. he needs someone like duncan, someone who is intelligent and can keep him calm. pop and duncan is a win. garnett, pierce and rondo is a big immature lose.
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he isn't that bad.... jesus.

Sacramento isnt going to trade him either.... he's clearly a stud for them. This is all crazy talk.
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