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jeffb 06-02-2011 01:32 PM

Does anyone think a deal can be brokered in the next month? :suspicious:


After an afternoon of negotiations on Wednesday, the NBA and players union both expressed hope the league can avoid a lockout when its collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of the month.

The two sides said progress had been made during a four-hour session at a downtown hotel. League and union representatives also plan to meet in Dallas on June 7-8 when the NBA Finals move to Texas next week.

The league’s CBA is set to expire on June 30. A lockout would likely begin the next day if there is no new agreement in place.

“It’s still our hope that there may be a deal here to be done,” NBA commissioner David Stern said. “We’re going to test it to the limits. If we’re wrong, we’re wrong.”

Players union executive director Billy Hunter has previously said he was “99 percent sure” a work stoppage would take place this summer. But after Wednesday’s talks, he expressed new hope, saying the discussions were “much more fluid than we’ve had in some time.” Stern added that while both sides are still “quite far apart,” there is also enough time to hammer out a deal.

“I’m hopeful,” Hunter said. “We know the pressure is building. And if anything is going to happen, it’s going to have to happen between now and June 30. We’re going to make every effort to see if we can make a deal. If we don’t, we don’t. It’s not going to be for a lack of trying.”
NBA hopeful of avoiding lockout - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

finstock 06-02-2011 01:44 PM

Nice to hear they are making progress. Wonder what kind of cap system the owners are proposing now?

jeffb 06-02-2011 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 544623)
Nice to hear they are making progress. Wonder what kind of cap system the owners are proposing now?

Someone i know said the league apparently wants a 50-55Mil hard cap, drop Bird rights and have a cap on length of contract and drop some of the exceptions for starters. Don't have a clue how he knows this but i don't know him that well so who knows?

dfunkie1 06-02-2011 01:53 PM

hopefully the same with a higher cap than the original 45 million. i just hope we have a hard cap with non-guaranteed contracts. all sports should follow the CBA guidelines the NFL has had.

dfunkie1 06-02-2011 01:54 PM

bird rights were made for a soft cap. if it were a hard cap, it would defeat the whole purpose of it.

'trane 06-02-2011 01:56 PM

i think a deal will get done. no one wants a stoppage.

jeffb 06-17-2011 09:52 PM


NBA owners relaxed their insistence on non-guaranteed contracts in a new collective bargaining agreement Friday, but players cautioned that isn't enough because the league is still seeking a hard salary cap.

Even so, the proposal by the owners during a 4 1/2-hour meeting was perhaps their most significant movement yet as the sides try to agree to a new deal before the current one expires June 30.

We think it's significant. Very significant, actually,” Commissioner David Stern said.

Much more is needed, though. The sides set up another meeting for Tuesday, which Stern indicated would be crucial for determining if enough progress can be made in time to avoid a work stoppage.

“I really think that the time to have an optimistic or pessimistic view is at the close of the day on Tuesday,” Stern said. “I think Tuesday's a very important day in these negotiations.”

Stern said Friday's meeting, which Knicks star Carmelo Anthony attended along with the players' executive committee, was the first time the players had expressed so strongly their objection to the issue of non-guaranteed contracts. So the league made a new proposal closer to the current system, which allows players and individual teams the right to negotiate guarantees between themselves.

“They said to us that they wanted to look at that and they wanted to reconvene next week on Tuesday and we're hoping that we will receive from them a proposal directed to the economics,” Stern said.

While the players recognized the proposal as a positive step, they downplayed it because it was giving them something they already have — without any change to the owners' stance on the salary cap.

“We can't talk about one part in a vacuum because it impacts the entire system, so we haven't been at this point inclined to say that's a huge thing, because without other things it doesn't mean much,” said Lakers guard Derek Fisher, the union president.

NBA drops insistence on non-guaranteed contracts - The Globe and Mail

Raptor-Colts 06-18-2011 07:15 PM

If the NBA were smart, they would get this thing done and avoid a lock out. If the NFL gets their's done and have a full season while there is not basketball or a shortened season, then they would loose even more viewers.

jeffb 06-21-2011 04:58 PM

This sounds somewhat promising:


WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
At end of labor meeting, still "big gaps" one official says between two sides. Meeting again on Friday. Some movement, civil meeting.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBPA will continue to resist hard salary cap, and impossible to imagine owners backing down on it prior to June 30th deadline.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern: "We've modified proposal to a flex cap, where some teams can go above it, some can go below it..."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern says new deal would guarantee players $2 billion in annual salaries over 10 year deal. "Our best shot .." to get a deal done.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern: NBA proposed a targeted $62 million cap. As far as league's best offer? "It's all out there." Wouldn't call it "final" though.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Players have meeting scheduled for Thursday, and will respond to league's proposal on Friday in another league-union meeting

jeffb 06-22-2011 04:25 PM


Basically it's a 62 million Cap - to be negotiated max and min range for the cap - above cap only for exceptions (Bird and mid-level?) - So assuming 8mill on either side and you get a cap ceiling at 70 mill and a cap floor at 54 mill. Using projections of next years salaries there are 16 teams under the cap floor and 4 teams over the cap ceiling. Under this type of setting each of those 16 teams would need to commit to an average of 14 mill more in salaries. While the 4 teams over the cap ceiling would need to cut an average of $9 mill (really less then this as LA needs to cut 25 mill and the other three teams over the ceiling need to cut around $2.5 mill)

So if the players reject this it will play out that the players are objecting to making good salaries in places like Sacramento and New Jersey - pretty weak position

NBA relaxes stance on hard cap - CBSSports.com

Shifty.py 06-22-2011 06:17 PM

so there will be a minimum cap? Even sucky teams aiming for free agency can't go lower than that?

jeffb 06-22-2011 06:20 PM

They're saying that by keeping the MLE teams will still be able to spend 70Mil Even with the hard cap. If the players don't take that they're high.

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