Can T.J. Replace JO as the Pacers New Leader?
Old 08-13-2008, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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IndyStar columnist Mike Wells discusses who can step up and be the Pacers new leader now that O'Neal left town.

Anti-Ford feeings aside, you think T.J. can be a leader especially for a young team like the Pacers?

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I'll get things going this week by talking who should be the team's new leader now that Jermaine O'Neal is up Toronto.

I ran this by Larry Bird and he said he's got an idea who it's going to be because this person is already showing some of the traits it takes to be a leader.

I asked him who he's talking about and he said, "I'm not saying anything yet, but you'll be able to tell after the first couple of days of training camp."

I automatically thought of T.J. Ford since another Pacers official told me Ford has been reaching out to his new teammates about working out at Conseco Fieldhouse.

I had to think about that again when Bird said the player may not be a starter this season. I'm assuming Ford will be the starting point guard.

I've always liked Jeff Foster's work ethic. He's not a flashy player. He's not an offensive threat.

The thing I like about him, though, is that he's a professional when it comes to the little things like arriving at the Fieldhouse on time for practice and games. He watches film before games, plays hard and doesn't give excuses.

Foster probably won't be looked at as the leader of the team, but he's a solid veteran that the young players can learn from.
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God help them if TJ is the leader.
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If TJ is they leader they don't win a game
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TJ is the leader of the Pacers, as Starbury was to the Knicks.
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OK, that's fine and dandy fellas why don't you think he can be a leader? I think he can be if people can look past what transpired here last season. Albeit he's still young, he's got a good head on his shoulders and think that with age he'll mature into a better person. (not that he's a bad one now)
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Seriously, why can't TJ lead the Pacers?

If he gets his head screwed on right (another year older and the trade just might have given him enough of a jolt to do that) he's a hell of a player, tough, not afraid to stand up for his teammates, not afraid to make big plays in the clutch...

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but sometimes he plays by himself thinking that he is the team
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the biggest downfall to ford was the criticism he received. he was our leader, why can't he be theirs?
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Ford doesnt believe in his teamates at times. Seen it here many times and seen it Mil. as well. He thinks he is the best in the league and while that is good for his personal confidence it doesnt make for a good leader.

A leader much trust his teamates and teamates must trust their leader.
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that's horse shit.
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Why do you say that?
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Ford doesnt believe in his teamates at times. Seen it here many times and seen it Mil. as well. He thinks he is the best in the league and while that is good for his personal confidence it doesnt make for a good leader.

A leader much trust his teamates and teamates must trust their leader.
When did Ford say that?

I can understand where Ford's frustration came from. Growing up all he's ever been is as a starting PG. From elementary school, to high school, then to college and finally the pros. So sure, I can see why one might get a mixed impression of a so-called "ego", but I don't think Ford himself thinks he's the best. He knows he can compete with any PG in the NBA, but I don't think that should get confused as him thinking he's the best.

You play the sport you love the most as a career as a starter and then try coming off and adapting to a new role as a bench player only because you lost the spot because of an injury. I think eventually it would get to you as well to the point you begin to express your frustrations.
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When did Ford say that?

I can understand where Ford's frustration came from. Growing up all he's ever been is as a starting PG. From elementary school, to high school, then to college and finally the pros. So sure, I can see why one might get a mixed impression of a so-called "ego", but I don't think Ford himself thinks he's the best. He knows he can compete with any PG in the NBA, but I don't think that should get confused as him thinking he's the best.

You play the sport you love the most as a career as a starter and then try coming off and adapting to a new role as a bench player only because you lost the spot because of an injury. I think eventually it would get to you as well to the point you begin to express your frustrations.
OK I may have exaggerated the point there a bit, but he does think he is an allstar, so that puts him top what 20 in the league.
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OK I may have exaggerated the point there a bit, but he does think he is an allstar, so that puts him top what 20 in the league.
When did he say he thinks he's an all-star?

He said he wanted to be an all-star? So did Mo Pete and JYD.
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When Bosh went down a couple of seasons ago, TJ carried this team. The reason why people think so negatively about TJ is because of his shot selection last season. However, that's not his fault - Smitch gave him the green light and he was counted on to be the secondary scorer. In TJ, there won't be as much pressure - simply beacuse this Pacers team won't be expected to make any noise, and I promise you, he'll have his best season as a pro this year.
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His best season as a pro on a loosing team, perfect.

TJ's shot selection is still in part his fault cause even if Smitch told him too shoot the ball(I have no doubts that Smitch did in fact do this as was every final play of the quarter) It was up to TJ to at least get a good shot. Use the team, Move the ball, get set up and shoot.

What pissed me off about TJ is his insistance on ignoring players. When the team got a little out of control TJ alway took a fallaway running leaner adding to the problems instead of slowing it down, pounding it inside to Bosh and get back into rythm.
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TJ + Leader = Team with most shot attempts per game.

Foster makes the most sense as leader. He has always played the game the right way and he is the last hold over from the good Pacers teams of years past. Everyone is waiting for Granger to become the leader. JO proved that leaders are born not made. Granger is by far the best player on the team but he has shown NO signs of taking the role of leader. Last year proved without a leader this team is going nowhere.

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Old 08-13-2008, 06:46 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I think that a leader hasn't to be the best player, is more about the heart you put in your game (maybe Pierce was the best player, but the leader was KG).

TJ has always put some heart in his game, and well or bad he always gave his best, so he could be a leader IMO. But that he can be a leader doen't already become him a leader, it will depend on their mates: if they respect what he does and buy his style (what he does with Pacers), he will become that leader.

So I think that it's still early to say nothing about it.
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He's no leader IMO.And i don't see that changing on a less talented team like the Pacers.Playing with less talent may make him even more selfish because he may think that he needs to score 20PPG.He's not a team first player.
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Yea that's true but sometimes he does look for his team like the one time he got 18 assists with the Raps
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