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pimpery 03-27-2008 01:47 PM

Is C-Webb a HOF'er?
 
i mean 20/10 and 4 for the career stats, literally EVERY player who has ever done that for a lengthy career is in the HOF but it seems no1 thinks Chris will make it? KG has similar career stats and he is a 1st ballot HOF for sure, so why or why not Chris?

MangoKidHoops 03-27-2008 01:55 PM

I think Webber should be given consideration as a HOF worthy candidate - he was always a catalyst on those powerful Sacramento teams in the early 2000s. However, something is missing, I don't know what it is. I would put him close, but not quite in. It would also depend on the class he's up against.

pimpery 03-27-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LyRrAd_Nation (Post 21081)
I think Webber should be given consideration as a HOF worthy candidate - he was always a catalyst on those powerful Sacramento teams in the early 2000s. However, something is missing, I don't know what it is. I would put him close, but not quite in. It would also depend on the class he's up against.

it seems to be the consenus that he wont make it... but its kinda weird considering only i believe 6 players put up those numbers and they are all in. Perhaps its the lack of the ring, or the fact that ppl said it was the system that made him look great in Sac... his stats sure did go down after his 1st knee surgery tho, but i would still put him in myself on those numbers alone, thats a very very very elite class.

Acie 03-27-2008 02:02 PM

Nope.

Unless guys like Adrian Dantley, Dennis Johnson and Artis Gilmore get in first.

pimpery 03-27-2008 02:10 PM

players to average 20/10/4

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Billy Cunningham

Elgin Baylor

Not just HOF guys, all time greats!!

The fact that some other deserving ppl didnt get in shouldnt stop Chris from getting in, i mean only 4 guys in HISTORY have done what he did, and u can put 1st ballot KG in there too, i think its just to elite company to deny him his spot.

Acie 03-27-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpery (Post 21090)
players to average 20/10/4

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Billy Cunningham

Elgin Baylor

Not just HOF guys, all time greats!!

The fact that some other deserving ppl didnt get in shouldnt stop Chris from getting in, i mean only 4 guys in HISTORY have done what he did, and u can put 1st ballot KG in there too, i think its just to elite company to deny him his spot.

My point was there are people more deserving and the guys you just named were key contributors to Championship teams and four of the 50 all-time greatest. I don't think Webber makes it on that list either.

pimpery 03-27-2008 05:23 PM

Stastically, Joe Dumars is correct. Webber was “one of the best power forwards ever to play in the NBA,” Dumars told ESPN

tell em Joe!! Not to mention one of the best passing Bigs to ever play, ship him the HOF!

Claudius 03-27-2008 06:10 PM

I think what ACIE is saying though is, was Chris a key contributor on a pereniall championship contender? Or was he the benefactor of having good stats on a bad team?

Personally though, I do agree that he should be a HOFer. I believe he was a revolutionary player for the PF position and really set the tone for what teams looked for in a PF (not simply a rebounder, but a guy you can run the offence through by utilizing their passing skills and also being able to hit a 20ft jumper consistently). However, what will always hurt Chris is his legacy of never really living up to his hype that surrounded him what he left Michigan. I dunno I say he gets in, but it won't be for a while.

pimpery 03-27-2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 21207)
I think what ACIE is saying though is, was Chris a key contributor on a pereniall championship contender? Or was he the benefactor of having good stats on a bad team?

Personally though, I do agree that he should be a HOFer. I believe he was a revolutionary player for the PF position and really set the tone for what teams looked for in a PF (not simply a rebounder, but a guy you can run the offence through by utilizing their passing skills and also being able to hit a 20ft jumper consistently). However, what will always hurt Chris is his legacy of never really living up to his hype that surrounded him what he left Michigan. I dunno I say he gets in, but it won't be for a while.

the Kings were considered contenders, werent they?

Claudius 03-27-2008 07:20 PM

The Kings yes, but were the Warriors, Wizards and 76ers? This is my point, other players when they leave a team, if they are THAT good will make other teams a contender. If anything, the Kings were more the product of a great system that utilized EVERYONE's talents. Webber just seemed to be in the right place at the right time.

Krazy Ivan 03-27-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Is C-Webb a HOF'er?
No.

Acie 03-27-2008 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 21207)
I think what ACIE is saying though is, was Chris a key contributor on a pereniall championship contender? Or was he the benefactor of having good stats on a bad team?

Personally though, I do agree that he should be a HOFer. I believe he was a revolutionary player for the PF position and really set the tone for what teams looked for in a PF (not simply a rebounder, but a guy you can run the offence through by utilizing their passing skills and also being able to hit a 20ft jumper consistently). However, what will always hurt Chris is his legacy of never really living up to his hype that surrounded him what he left Michigan. I dunno I say he gets in, but it won't be for a while.

Webber's legacy will be the timeout against NC, lying to the grand jury and bad knees.

He was a wonderful player, but Bob McAdoo beat Webber by about two decades being a versatile big man who could shoot from outside and pass.

Claudius 03-27-2008 10:04 PM

Exactly acie, that is his legacy.

As to the rest. Fair enough.

Acie 03-27-2008 10:10 PM

It's a complete travesty Dennis Johnson still isn't in.

Claudius 03-27-2008 10:14 PM

Honestly? I'm honestly not old enough to remember who he is.

On a side note, is there anything more overrated than being in the hall of fame? I know it's a nice milestone, but is it one of the more overrated accomplishments out there? Also, considering the amount of politicking that most go on, I just see it as being a very overrated achievement.

Acie 03-27-2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 21261)
Honestly? I'm honestly not old enough to remember who he is.

On a side note, is there anything more overrated than being in the hall of fame? I know it's a nice milestone, but is it one of the more overrated accomplishments out there? Also, considering the amount of politicking that most go on, I just see it as being a very overrated achievement.

Dennis Johnson was badass. I've only ever seen his Seattle days on tape, but being a Magic fan growing up he used to piss me off because he always covered him in the Finals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Johnson


[captainobvious]I'm sure Barkley,Stockton and Malone (once the two of them get there) would trade the honour for a championship.[/captainobvious]


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