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Old 12-27-2011, 06:51 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'd give my left testicle to have Rondo on our team. He just makes everyone around him better. At first I was skeptical of his abilities with him playing alongside a cast like Boston's, but he's proved to me at least that he is the key to that teams success.

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Old 12-27-2011, 06:54 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I'd give my left testicle to have Rondo on our team. He just makes everyone around him better. At first I was skeptical of his abilities with him playing alongside a cast like Boston's, but he's proved that he is the key to that teams success.
Yes. But I'd give both my nuts for Paul/D-Will/Rose.
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:56 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Yes. But I'd give both my nuts for Paul/D-Will/Rose.
I'd throw in a few fingers as well just to sweeten that deal. Until Rondo has a reliable jumpshot, he is still going to be 1 tier below those guys. If a defense sags off of Paul/D-Will/Rose then they are going to pay. With Rondo, most teams will take that chance of letting him shoot.

Hard to understand how a guy who has been around Ray Allen his whole career can be that bad of a jumpshooter. I'll give him credit though, it seems like he's be working hard at improving it.
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I'd throw in a few fingers as well just to sweeten that deal. Until Rondo has a reliable jumpshot, he is still going to be 1 tier below those guys. If a defense sags off of Paul/D-Will/Rose then they are going to pay. With Rondo, most teams will take that chance of letting him shoot.

Hard to understand how a guy who has been around Ray Allen his whole career can be that bad of a jumpshooter. I'll give him credit though, it seems like he's be working hard at improving it.

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Yeah his jumper his weak, just like his mental state in late-game pressure situations! UGH!
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:13 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Yeah his jumper his weak, just like his mental state in late-game pressure situations! UGH!
I haven't seen enough of Rondo in late-game situations to make that kind of judgement, but I will say that it takes a special kind of person to come through in high-pressure situations. You can't teach that kind of mental stability, some guys just don't want the ball at the end of the game, and others live for those kinds of moments.

Rondo seems like a gamer, the kind of guy who wouldn't shy away from the defining moments. He's still a young player, with plenty of room to grow. Not to mention being in one of the best learning environments in the league, I don't think it will be long before we include Rondo with Paul, D-Will, and Rose.
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I haven't seen enough of Rondo in late-game situations to make that kind of judgement, but I will say that it takes a special kind of person to come through in high-pressure situations. You can't teach that kind of mental stability, some guys just don't want the ball at the end of the game, and others live for those kinds of moments.

Rondo seems like a gamer, the kind of guy who wouldn't shy away from the defining moments. He's still a young player, with plenty of room to grow. Not to mention being in one of the best learning environments in the league, I don't think it will be long before we include Rondo with Paul, D-Will, and Rose.
Nah I was just kidding. Well, kind of
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:20 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:27 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Laker fans these days.
To be completely honest, he does struggle in late-game situations. But that's not to say he can't improve in that area. He lacks confidence in his jumper and that only gets amplified in clutch situations. And then the fact that he can't shoot FTs to save his life scares him away from penetrating. Basically, it's pass or nothing most of the time with Rondo in these situations which makes him very predictable. He's made some clutch baskets no doubt, but he still has much to room to improve there.

And DO NOT categorize me with "Laker fans"! Most of those dudes are bandwagoners (I have followed Lakers since '05-'06) or know nothing about the game. And often they make judgements based on one/recent game(s). Oh how the recency effect clouds judgement!
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:39 PM   #69 (permalink)
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I don't hate anyone in this league except LeBron and some of the other Heat players. Anyway, what exactly is supposed to "slow down the hate train"? This one game? I have watched Rondo OVER THE YEARS. That's what I base my judgement on, period. One game won't change anything. Everyone that had an opinion on Rondo based it on what they saw last year or the last couple of years. This one game SHOULD NOT affect your judgement in the slightest way. But then you come on here after he has a great game to rub it in our faces as if that game meant anything lol. Do you still believe you didn't have a knee-jerk reacting after the Knicks game? We don't believe you, you need more people.
And you think that I have a comprehension problem? LOL....

I guess I just need to keep typing it over & over again and maybe one of these times it'll stick.

My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.

That about enough?

Did you see the game that Deron Williams had tonight? 10 pts and 3/11 shooting, 1 asst and 6 TOs? Now if I had come in here crowing about how shitty he was based on tonight's game alone THEN you could certainly question my sanity. I think that both of us know that he's a much better player than that though and just had an off night.

Do I expect Rondo to score 20-30 every night out? Of course not. Any points that he scores are "gravy" IMO because that's not his game. He just does enough to keep the defense honest. He's out there to run the show, create for teammates, rebound and play tough, tough D. And he does all of things on a regular basis and THAT is why I sing his praises.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:45 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I'd give my left testicle to have Rondo on our team. He just makes everyone around him better. At first I was skeptical of his abilities with him playing alongside a cast like Boston's, but he's proved to me at least that he is the key to that teams success.
Hit the nail on the head right there. That's what it's all about.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:58 AM   #71 (permalink)
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I'd throw in a few fingers as well just to sweeten that deal. Until Rondo has a reliable jumpshot, he is still going to be 1 tier below those guys. If a defense sags off of Paul/D-Will/Rose then they are going to pay. With Rondo, most teams will take that chance of letting him shoot.

Hard to understand how a guy who has been around Ray Allen his whole career can be that bad of a jumpshooter. I'll give him credit though, it seems like he's be working hard at improving it.
Hit the nail on the head right there. That's what it's all about.
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And you think that I have a comprehension problem? LOL....
Yes. When I asked you "what's my point exactly?", you ignored it and somehow posted something that is completely irrelevant.

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you have a habit of arguing against a point that isn't being made, and it is glaring in this situation.
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My assertions regarding Rondo are not based on any single game.
I never said they were. When I say "This one game SHOULD NOT affect your judgement in the slightest way", I mean "your" in the general sense, not you in particular. For example, when you said:

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Hopefully Clutch & Insider got a chance to see today's Celts/Knicks game. Ha.
why would it matter if I saw that game? It's not going to change my opinion so why does it matter? I've seen enough of him over the years and that's what my opinion is based on, as is yours. I never said you based it on one game, I just don't understand why I needed to see that game though, as if it means anything.

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here's how you, in this case, are arguing against a point that isn't being made:


there was an argument about paul vs rondo.

there was another argument about paul vs westbrook.

both of these are perfectly valid, and have their points and counter-points. and for the most part, so one was saying that he doesn't help his team more than hurt it. they were saying that, in their opinion, he falls short of the super-star status because he has a significant hole or two in his game. in the paul-rondo thread i actually went on at length about his toughness as an asset that the other guys may not have, so it is pretty clear that i see lots of value in rondo in some areas.

but then you came back after game 1 with an 'i told you so' post, as if that somehow validates your case in the argument. it is a 1-game sample that could be countered by plenty of one-game scenarios in which he fell flat, some of them on the biggest stage in the world. but the overall case isn't about one game. in fact, it is about a pattern of inconsistency, shyness in the clutch and a wonky jumper that can be hit and miss. and the fact that you called 2 posters out on that one-game sample is what i have been reacting to. it is based on, either a total lack of understanding of the criticism that has been made against rondo, or a myopic view of what constitutes a reasonable sample size.
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calling out 2 guys based on one game when the debate has always been about a long-term issue. is that clear enough?





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i saw you use one game as an 'i told you so' in this case. it was an idle comment for you, and an idle response from me to call you out for it. all the rest of this was in response to you thinking i was somehow critiquing rondo, when what i was simply critiquing you for using one game as vindication of your argument.

thus the 'game 1' response.

thus the point about re-framing the debate.

thus the comment about arguing against a point that has not been made.

all of this should have been clear early on, in which case this wouldn't have gone out of proportion. but you did not (and may still not) understand that.
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Do I expect Rondo to score 20-30 every night out?

You tell me:

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Rondo is good enough to have games like these on a regular basis.

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He's out there to run the show, create for teammates, rebound and play tough, tough D. And he does all of things on a regular basis and THAT is why I sing his praises.
Never said otherwise.



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And you think that I have a comprehension problem? LOL....
Yes.
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oh for crying out loud, i give up. you are completely unable to counter the point being made.
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TOraps is right. it's not just about the jumper. the celtics would have never won if either paul or deron were the celtics point guard while utah and NO would have continued losing if rondo replaced them.
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oh for crying out loud, i give up. you are completely unable to counter the point being made.
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holy fuck dude. i can't believe you still don't get it. it's completely unfathomable that you are not understanding this.
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Forget it. Pointless exercise.
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