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Old 12-24-2011, 02:00 AM   #21 (permalink)
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rondo has become predictable.
keep him out of the paint, and his offense is non existent... he cant hit a shot to save his life.
look at the playoffs and the second half of last season when the C's started struggling. teams are playing off of him and playing him for the pass. he passes 99% of the time! even on easy layup attempts.
sure, he is one of the best passers in the game, but its too predictable now.

Westbrook on the other hand is (after rose) the deadliest scoring PG in the game. he's young, that 'forcing of shots' issue can be fixed.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Westbrook >>>>> rondo

And lol at Boston Trying to get Perkins back.
Westbrook > Rondo?

In NBA2Kwhatever maybe.

That would have been a great trade for both teams (if Green could have played this season).

Westbrook is talented but he smacks of Marbury/Francis. Too much ego.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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If I was the thunder I wouldn't even dare, Perkins>Green. It's rare to come by a centre which can possibly have a garnett/tyson chandler effect. Their defense had become avg last year, it can change this year if they keep Perkins in.
and the rondo vs. Westbrook thing, I think Westbrook is in a good place with the thunder, no need to start fucking stuff up and do a test if Rondo fits better, chances are it wont work as good. This is so not going to happen, Thunder are on a good road imo, this will screw it all up.
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Old 12-25-2011, 06:34 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hopefully Clutch & Insider got a chance to see today's Celts/Knicks game. Ha.
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Hopefully Clutch & Insider got a chance to see today's Celts/Knicks game. Ha.
Saw it. Did you watch Miami game? Lol come on man.
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Hopefully Clutch & Insider got a chance to see today's Celts/Knicks game. Ha.
One game TO. Calm down. I never said rondo isn't good, just that I think Westbrook is better and has the better upside. We'll talk after Westbrook destroys the magic.
But regardless, one game really doesn't prove a thing. Going by your one game theory, Dallas is the worst team in the league then right?
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If you want to judge on one game then look at Bosh lol.
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Old 12-25-2011, 11:45 PM   #28 (permalink)
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One game TO. Calm down. I never said rondo isn't good, just that I think Westbrook is better and has the better upside. We'll talk after Westbrook destroys the magic.
But regardless, one game really doesn't prove a thing. Going by your one game theory, Dallas is the worst team in the league then right?
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If you want to judge on one game then look at Bosh lol.
Wha??

Who's judging players by ONE game?

Rondo has been having big games for the Celts for YEARS now in case you guys hadn't noticed. Just felt the need to point out a classic example of one of those games.

And Clutch... lol... please. You saw what Bosh did in all his years here and you saw what he did in MIA last season. Don't really see the need to drag him through the mud based on today's game. Unless we're going to do the same for Pau?

Seriously... it's all well and good if you guys simply prefer one player to another... but give some credit where credit is due for God's sake.
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torap - reframing the debate by the moment doesn't make you any more right.
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Rondo is better sorry, they're both not great shooters but Rondo has the personality and court sense. and lol TORAP
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:57 AM   #32 (permalink)
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torap - reframing the debate by the moment doesn't make you any more right.
And how exactly am I "reframing the debate"?

Care to enlighten me?
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check the other thread. you aren't responding to the critique of rondo that has been made.
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Old 12-26-2011, 03:08 AM   #34 (permalink)
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check the other thread. you aren't responding to the critique of rondo that has been made.
Check the top of this page and re-read the quote from Insider that Clutch highlighted.

THAT is what I'm responding to. Just so we're clear.
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Check the top of this page and re-read the quote from Insider that Clutch highlighted.

THAT is what I'm responding to. Just so we're clear.
this was just a single game, and it was against a team with awful transition defense. that is the point.

99% is clearly an exaggeration. if you would like i could look for a few exaggerations that you have made, but i don't think there is a need for that. the point still stands that rondo has, in clutch situations especially, shied away from taking shots. this has made his game predictable, his performances inconsistent, and his offense suspect. this is a concern when ranking him against the very best.
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this was just a single game, and it was against a team with awful transition defense. that is the point.

99% is clearly an exaggeration. if you would like i could look for a few exaggerations that you have made, but i don't think there is a need for that. the point still stands that rondo has, in clutch situations especially, shied away from taking shots. this has made his game predictable, his performances inconsistent, and his offense suspect. this is a concern when ranking him against the very best.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:05 AM   #37 (permalink)
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this was just a single game, and it was against a team with awful transition defense. that is the point.

99% is clearly an exaggeration. if you would like i could look for a few exaggerations that you have made, but i don't think there is a need for that. the point still stands that rondo has, in clutch situations especially, shied away from taking shots. this has made his game predictable, his performances inconsistent, and his offense suspect. this is a concern when ranking him against the very best.
So you clearly view this game against NYK as an abberation then. Meaning that it's unlikely that Rondo will have big games against teams with a better defensive scheme?

Is it the 31 pts that we're focusing on here? Because I'd definitely agree that that is "outside of the norm" as far as Rondo in concerned given that he's not a "scoring PG". That certainly doesn't mean that he's shouldn't match up favourably with PGs like Paul, Williams. Westbrook and Rose. At least IMO. His impact on the game is just as great.

Let's take a look at how he did last season against some of the best defenses in the league.

vs. DAL: 8/2/12 + 3 stls, 11/6/15 + 5 stls

vs. LAL: 10/5/16 + 1 stl, 12/5/10 + 1 stl

vs. CHI: 10/3/11 + 4 stls, 12/6/19 + 3 stls, 7/5/6 + 1 stl

vs. MIA: 4/5/17 + 2 stls, 8/3/16 + 2 stls, 11/10/10 + 0 stls, 7/1/5 + 2 stls

In those games BOS went 3-1 against MIA, 2-1 against CHI, 1-1 against LAL and 0-2 against DAL. 6 wins in 9 games. A couple of stinkers in there but on the whole, very solid. The REBS, ASSTS and STLS in particular were all impressive. And THAT is what separates Rondo from the pack.

His playoff numbers are quite respectable IMO. Really quite ideal for a classic PG.

Year 1: 10/7/4 + 1.7 SPG
Year 2: 17/10/10 + 2.5 SPG
Year 3: 16/6/9 + 1.9 SPG
Year 4: 14/5/10 + 1.1 SPG

So again... what are we arguing about here?

My assertion has always been the same.... that Rondo is a tremendous PG in spite of the fact that his jumper is shaky. He does so many great things on the floor that other PGs DON'T do... and that's why I don't hesitate to put him up there against the best in the game.
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holy fuck dude. i can't believe you still don't get it. it's completely unfathomable that you are not understanding this.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:42 PM   #39 (permalink)
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holy fuck dude. i can't believe you still don't get it. it's completely unfathomable that you are not understanding this.
It's equally unfathomable to me why you seem unable to understand the fact that I DON'T CARE HOW MANY POINTS RONDO SCORES. There's much more to the game of basketball than putting the ball in the hoop. THAT is why I love Rondo. THAT is why I rank him among the game's best at his position. The positives that he brings with his complete game FAR outweigh the negatives.... which is why he won a ring with the Celts as their starting PG.
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i completely understand that and have made that case before. not sure how you could possibly claim, at this point in the debate, that i don't understand that.

you have a habit of arguing against a point that isn't being made, and it is glaring in this situation.
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