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Claudius 01-04-2011 09:15 AM

Is Brandon Roy done?
 
Is Brandon Roy done as being a top flight player in this league? Do those concerns teams had in 2006 finally come to fruition?

Hell, is he still the player that you would take right now over Bargnani?

Good article on Yahoo!

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Brandon Roy, on the bench for an indefinite absence that could stretch for the rest of the season or the rest of the week, will likely be back. He probably hasn't played his last game as a member of the team, and he shouldn't be fitted for a mic and sideline reporter duty anytime soon.

But he won't be an All-Star again. That's the just the cruel nature of working through this bone-on-bone condition in both knees. And though rumors of surgical procedures surround Roy in his absence from the team, things aren't getting any better, barring an outright miracle. Things aren't changing, and things aren't improving.

I apologize for laying the hammer so heavily, but the Brandon Roy you knew from the 2008-09 season isn't coming back. Worse, the diminished Brandon Roy you saw last season isn't coming back. Roy might play again, but he'll never be the same.

This is what happens when you're working with his condition. Other players, lacking in cartilage, can undergo the dreaded microfracture procedure. If not properly rehabbed, it can rob some players of their quickness, but it also helps address exactly what the player is lacking physically. Bone is broken inside the knee to encourage blood flow, which helps the cartilage grow back. It's painful and it takes forever to return from, but the cartilage does grow back.

Brandon Roy's meniscus won't grow back. No amount of bone-breaking or bleeding will help it grow back. He's stuck like this. Even Danny Manning got to play on cadaver ACLs for the last few years of his career, but no such operation exists for Brandon. And fans of the Blazers, and what could have been a Hall of Fame talent, need to realize that no amount of rest -- in-game, in the offense, for a week, for a season or for a summer -- will put him right. It's over.

It's not unprecedented. We've seen players fall to the ranks of the obscure because of microfracture surgeries. Clark Kellogg even went from averaging nearly 19 points per game on 50 percent shooting for the Pacers at age 23 to out of the NBA a year and a half later due to knee injuries. The game has changed and the injuries and recovery time have evolved as well. An ACL tear isn't a death knell anymore. It's just something that puts you out for half a year, rather than half a career.
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This team, on paper, should be a championship contender. Roy should be up there with Kobe Bryant(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes), and Greg Oden should be changing the game on both ends. But this isn't how things have turned out. And while Portland is doing its job in going over every available option in terms of Roy's rehab and hopeful return, they've got five weeks.

Five weeks until that trade deadline. A time when teams think they have a chance, that they're one player away, and they're willing to gamble on the future in order to make the spring so sweet. Teams aren't going to think that way around the draft, with no games to play the next day. And they're not going to be allowed to think that way this summer with the lockout in effect.

So the Blazers need to act now in figuring out who stays and who goes. And what Roy's role in all of this is. Because he's shot defensively, and (this is so, so sad) probably as good as he's every going to be offensively right now. No amount of rest is going to put that meniscus back.

Portland cannot afford to carry over big contracts, big dreams, and little assets into what is shaping up to be the NBA's longest summer since 1998's work stoppage bled into 1999. This is an incredibly daunting task for newish GM Rich Cho, but it's something he needs to undertake. Sooner rather than later.
Portland's Brandon Roy problem - Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

Belsius 01-04-2011 10:01 AM

He is obviously done as a top 3 SG in the league and probably done even as a starter on his own team (if he is back) seeing how well is Wesley Mathews is doing right now. He was never a good passer so it will be also difficult for him to find a secondary role on any team if he can make it back.

Superjudge 01-04-2011 10:20 AM

All I can say is this.

LaMarcus Aldridge aside, for who there could be arguments made, Toronto got the best player in that draft by a long shot. Any Media pundit or fan that says otherwise can kiss my ass. The reason is simple, teams passed on Roy because he was a very high risk player. Colangelo's team did the research, and made the decision to pass on a sure fire SG star you could insert for immediate success and take a raw but potentially dangerous player 5 years down the road.

5 years later, Roy is a shell and may be done, because of his knee's, and Bargnani is emerging as a top three center in the NBA, and is still a kid.

Nice to win one!

jeffb 01-04-2011 10:35 AM

bargnani>>>roy :D

Acie 01-04-2011 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 487609)
All I can say is this.

LaMarcus Aldridge aside, for who there could be arguments made, Toronto got the best player in that draft by a long shot. Any Media pundit or fan that says otherwise can kiss my ass. The reason is simple, teams passed on Roy because he was a very high risk player. Colangelo's team did the research, and made the decision to pass on a sure fire SG star you could insert for immediate success and take a raw but potentially dangerous player 5 years down the road.

5 years later, Roy is a shell and may be done, because of his knee's, and Bargnani is emerging as a top three center in the NBA, and is still a kid too.

Nice to win one!

A long shot? I'm pretty sure there's a kid in Boston that's pretty good if not better...also a pretty dynamic young guy in Memphis who's proving to be a decent pick.

jeffb 01-04-2011 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 487609)
All I can say is this.

LaMarcus Aldridge aside, for who there could be arguments made, Toronto got the best player in that draft by a long shot. Any Media pundit or fan that says otherwise can kiss my ass. The reason is simple, teams passed on Roy because he was a very high risk player. Colangelo's team did the research, and made the decision to pass on a sure fire SG star you could insert for immediate success and take a raw but potentially dangerous player 5 years down the road.

5 years later, Roy is a shell and may be done, because of his knee's, and Bargnani is emerging as a top three center in the NBA, and is still a kid.

Nice to win one!


Top 3 Center? Yeah right.

INSIDER 01-04-2011 11:28 AM

I was always happy with our Bargs pick.
This actually makes me happier.

Claudius 01-04-2011 11:30 AM

The basketball fan in me hates to see Roy being done.

I loved his jumper and his general attitude. He really played the game hard. Hell, I really thought that Portland team was set for the next 7-8 years with Roy, Oden, Aldridge and with solid role players like Rudy, Batum and Pryz.

It really does suck.

archie63 01-04-2011 12:26 PM

It's a thing that sometimes happens to players, very sad is happening to such a good player

Scully 01-04-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 487621)
Top 3 Center? Yeah right.

maybe in the east. I would say he is somewhere between 5 and 8 all nba.

Someguy again 01-04-2011 01:40 PM

dude was a fighter, but i blame the portland medical staff for letting him play few days after a surgery, still an exciting playing and i hope he plays for a few more seasons.

but yes, it seems bargnani is officially the best playing to come out of the 2006 draft

finstock 01-04-2011 02:10 PM

Unfortunate. Nice to see a guy who isn't especially gifted, but rather exceedingly fundamentally sound, dominate at this level.

TORaptor4Ever 01-04-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 487670)
dude was a fighter, but i blame the portland medical staff for letting him play few days after a surgery, still an exciting playing and i hope he plays for a few more seasons.

but yes, it seems bargnani is officially the best playing to come out of the 2006 draft

Better than Rondo? :confused2:

Someguy again 01-04-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 487702)
Better than Rondo? :confused2:

oh yeah lol

GrannyFro 01-04-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 487703)
oh yeah lol


i'll also argue aldridge is better, always have. Aldridge does way more bigman duties than bargnani. I realize the raptors needed a center so bargnani was the pick but as it turned out bargnani is just a C-sized shooting guard


even with roy, sure his career may be done but the raps would have been out of the 1st round a couple times before the knee's gave. We wouldn't be looking back at a 1st round victory over a shitty knicks team as the glory years, thats for sure

Dark Knight 01-04-2011 04:11 PM

What would you guys be willing to give up to get Roy in a Raptors uniform?

Gurk 01-04-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 487736)
What would you guys be willing to give up to get Roy in a Raptors uniform?

Now? Not so much. I liked him as a player, sucks that this happened to him but yea since the draft there was always concern of this happening and now it happened. :sigh:

surreyjack 01-04-2011 04:30 PM

Does Portland have the worst luck or what

Sucks for Roy I've always liked him

10gizzle 01-04-2011 04:30 PM

It was the right choice.

Rudy Gay would've been nice...but he wasn't even in the discussion in the top 5.

Rondo was 21st overall so we can't even talk about him. He definitely fast tracked his development by starting with those 3 gents.

thought 01-04-2011 04:31 PM

this shit reeks of penny hardaway. too bad, the league needs more stars like Roy.


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