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Old 05-10-2011, 01:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
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1st off.... congrats 'trane.

2nd.... I don't see why Bosh would be considered a "piggy-backer". His game was an integral part of the Heat's success this season. He avgd 19 & 8. He may not be the #1 option but he's definitely a prime contributor.

Now when Payton joined the Heat and won a ring with them? Or when he joined the Lakers afterwards? THAT's an example of a "piggy-backer".... or JO and Shaq joining BOS this season.
i think Bosh is still piggy backing, just not to the extent of those in ur examples. willingly becoming 3rd option when he's capable of being the best player on a lot of teams is piggy backing
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:03 PM   #42 (permalink)
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A bunch of guys in their mid to late 30's, way past their primes is nothing like a 26 year old caged wolf joining forces with his rivals.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:04 PM   #43 (permalink)
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well torap, this wouldn't be the first time the 'truth' was pushed aside for internet and sports related dislike, now would it?

what people expect from 19&8 guys, or at least what they hope, is that those guys will try to win by building a team around themselves (especially when they say to the media that this is their dream), not that they concentrate all the talent in a few teams and go all-star team against all-star team leaving the bottom feeders to fight it out for 7th and 8th place. for many fans, pulling up your bootstraps and carrying a team is what earns you respect. banding together with all stars for an easier shot at the championship is the easy way out, and 'stars' tend to get crucified for it by sports geeks. that's just a media reality.

and please show me where i indicated that he was not a part of the success. piggy backing is not about doing nothing, it's about taking the easy road. he clearly took the easier road.

i give a lot of credit to payton (and malone) for doing what they did. they tried for almost the entirety of their careers to win on their own (edit - or with a partner that they began their career alongside). once they gave it everything they had, they tried to get a ring in their last couple of years as the cherry on the top of an amazing career. that is a whole different kind of piggy-backing because they gave it their all first. Bosh gave up trying on his own after 7 years (and just at the start of his prime) and teamed up with two of the best players in the game to take an easier route. he never gave it everything, and that's why some fans feel he didn't earn their respect. it's not right or wrong, and hundreds of posts to try to counter that opinion won't change a thing. he did what he did, and people have their own criteria for what garners respect. i can't believe you are still surprised by this.

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Old 05-10-2011, 01:07 PM   #44 (permalink)
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i think Bosh is still piggy backing, just not to the extent of those in ur examples. willingly becoming 3rd option when he's capable of being the best player on a lot of teams is piggy backing
No.... it's called "being smart" or "wanting to win".

7 years in Toronto... 7 years... and he didn't play with a single all-star. Why would he have signed himself up for more of the same?

Kobe threatened to leave LA after TWO seasons of having shitty teammates.... if you don't think that all of that losing and having to carry a team BY YOURSELF takes it's toll then I don't know what to tell you.
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Really? How so? What has he done in the media outside of last summer which I agree was pretty douchy. But really, and sepcifically since being in Miami what has he done in the media that was so bad?
Make sure that you are reading what I typed. For example, I didn't say that anything was "so bad." Nor did I say that I agreed that he was a bad basketball player or make any other judgement.

What I did say was that there have been many instances this season that a wide cross-section of basketball fans have found to be the anti-thesis of the basketball player they idealize. To name just a couple examples:

1) Almost crying after a regular season game,
2) Saying that guys hustling is how you get injured (a loose paraphrase on my part),
3) Saying that he played poorly because he couldn't control his nerves.

I don't agree with the people who look for a way to crush Bosh in everything that he does (which is undoubtedly why he is not on Twitter anymore) but I also don't absolve him of his missteps, either.
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No.... it's called "being smart" or "wanting to win".

7 years in Toronto... 7 years... and he didn't play with a single all-star. Why would he have signed himself up for more of the same?

Kobe threatened to leave LA after TWO seasons of having shitty teammates.... if you don't think that all of that losing and having to carry a team BY YOURSELF takes it's toll then I don't know what to tell you.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:20 PM   #47 (permalink)
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well torap, this wouldn't be the first time the 'truth' was pushed aside for internet and sports related dislike, now would it?

what people expect from 19&8 guys, or at least what they hope, is that those guys will try to win by building a team around themselves (especially when they say to the media that this is their dream), not that they concentrate all the talent in a few teams and go all-star team against all-star team leaving the bottom feeders to fight it out for 7th and 8th place. for many fans, pulling up your bootstraps and carrying a team is what earns you respect. banding together with all stars for an easier shot at the championship is the easy way out, and 'stars' tend to get crucified for it by sports geeks. that's just a media reality.

and please show me where i indicated that he was not a part of the success. piggy backing is not about doing nothing, it's about taking the easy road. he clearly took the easier road.

i give a lot of credit to payton (and malone) for doing what they did. they tried for almost the entirety of their careers to win on their own. once they gave it everything they had, they tried to get a ring in their last couple of years as the cherry on the top of an amazing career. that is a whole different kind of piggy-backing because they gave it their all first. Bosh gave up trying on his own after 7 years (and just at the start of his prime) and teamed up with two of the best players in the game to take an easier route. he never gave it everything, and that's why some fans feel he didn't earn their respect. it's not right or wrong, and hundreds of posts to try to counter that opinion won't change a thing. he did what he did, and people have their own criteria for what garners respect. i can't believe you are still surprised by this.
I guess that we just have different ideas about what "piggy-backing" actually means....

Payton & Malone had absolutely nothing to complain about for most of their careers. They play on GREAT teams for MANY years with ALL-STAR players by their side. That's exactly the argument that I'm making...

How long should Bosh have stayed a Raptor? His entire career? Even though nearly every year the entire roster was turned over and he shouldered the majority of the blame for every failed season?

I just think that's unreasonable. He gave it a go for 7 years. In that time there was little to nothing that ever suggested that a proper "competitive" team was being built here... and before you say "What about Hedo? What about JO?" no, I don't consider those signings relevant since both players were clearly past their prime.

Maybe Bosh should have gone to Chicago or N.Y... maybe that would have made some fans happier.... but I can't blame the guy for wanting to play with a couple of great players (who are also friends) and give himself the best chance possible.
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you can't choose what team you start your career on. i guess the point is that fans give respect to guys for doing everything they can to make the best of that situation, and for staying loyal to the organizations that turned them into pros and who poured money, time and training into developing them. Bosh clearly did not do that and so he lost a lot of respect. end of story.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:24 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I dunno, when you're 26, you're still young and plenty can change.

At the end of the day Bosh took the easiest way to win a championship. Whatever.

Personally, I have very little respect (in my personal and professional life) for people who take the easy way to success.

I think struggling (which builds character, shows your resolve etc.) is important in life. To me, LeBron and Bosh show what annoys me about people my age. Not willing to face failure but instead take the easiest way to get the best payout.

I'll always hold that against Bosh and LeBron.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:26 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I guess that we just have different ideas about what "piggy-backing" actually means....

Payton & Malone had absolutely nothing to complain about for most of their careers. They play on GREAT teams for MANY years with ALL-STAR players by their side. That's exactly the argument that I'm making...

How long should Bosh have stayed a Raptor? His entire career? Even though nearly every year the entire roster was turned over and he shouldered the majority of the blame for every failed season?

I just think that's unreasonable. He gave it a go for 7 years. In that time there was little to nothing that ever suggested that a proper "competitive" team was being built here... and before you say "What about Hedo? What about JO?" no, I don't consider those signings relevant since both players were clearly past their prime.

Maybe Bosh should have gone to Chicago or N.Y... maybe that would have made some fans happier.... but I can't blame the guy for wanting to play with a couple of great players (who are also friends) and give himself the best chance possible.
I agree with that, except for the Hedo part. I would say that when he was signed he was not perceived as past his prime after the season/playoffs he had just had. Turns out he was past his prime, but he wasn't signed knowing that. Anyway just saying.
As for Bosh, don't blame him for leaving. But I don't agree with the way he did it.
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Who do you guys think NY's first choice was between Bosh and Amare?
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I dunno, when you're 26, you're still young and plenty can change.

At the end of the day Bosh took the easiest way to win a championship. Whatever.

Personally, I have very little respect (in my personal and professional life) for people who take the easy way to success.

I think struggling (which builds character, shows your resolve etc.) is important in life. To me, LeBron and Bosh show what annoys me about people my age. Not willing to face failure but instead take the easiest way to get the best payout.

I'll always hold that against Bosh and LeBron.

Lebron may be a different case since he actually managed to win 60 games and go to the finals with the Cavs.... but as for Bosh....

Let's say that hypothetically he re-signed with us and then we STILL continued to win 30-40 games for the next 5-6 seasons... would that make him more noble somehow?

Why should we feel the need to make him "martyr himself" for our approval?
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I dunno, when you're 26, you're still young and plenty can change.

At the end of the day Bosh took the easiest way to win a championship. Whatever.

Personally, I have very little respect (in my personal and professional life) for people who take the easy way to success.

I think struggling (which builds character, shows your resolve etc.) is important in life. To me, LeBron and Bosh show what annoys me about people my age. Not willing to face failure but instead take the easiest way to get the best payout.

I'll always hold that against Bosh and LeBron.
i'm not trying to argue, just looking at it in a different light.
i think because lebron is still top dog, it shouldn't be seen as taking the easy way, is just the same as being surrounded by better teammates
the point was that the 3 of them wanted to play together and didn't really matter which team. it just so happened that miami had the right situation to make it all possible.
so what if the situation was that cleveland had the cap space, etc....and it was dwade and Bosh joining lebron? would wade be seen as taking the easy route? when really, it was what the situation allowed at the time.
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Your mistake here is assuming he had to resign with us. He could have signed elsewhere without piggybacking.
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Who do you guys think NY's first choice was between Bosh and Amare?
As I remember it their first choices were Lebron and Bosh.
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Your mistake here is assuming he had to resign with us. He could have signed elsewhere without piggybacking.
The only other REAL viable option was Chicago....

*shrug*

I still think that that probably would have been a great fit too but the choice was his.

Still don't see the need to hate him for it.
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I agree with that, except for the Hedo part. I would say that when he was signed he was not perceived as past his prime after the season/playoffs he had just had. Turns out he was past his prime, but he wasn't signed knowing that. Anyway just saying.
As for Bosh, don't blame him for leaving. But I don't agree with the way he did it.
And I can understand that.
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As I remember it their first choices were Lebron and Bosh.
Yeah, it was clear early on that Bosh didn't want to go to NY and they went after Amare.
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CHI would have been nice. Also, there's not much hate going around, except from haters that hated him already previously, just people poking fun. However as said, some people have lost respect for him, which is understandable.
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Be happy for the guy. He is a proffesional player. He gave us some great years, and you cant say he never played well.
He is enjoying being a winner for once in his career. I say good luck to you Bosh.
Most people wanna be trolls and be quick to hate on someone.
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