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'trane 05-15-2011 12:54 AM

bosh as the x-factor? and always considered in a package with wade?
 
Chris Bosh in familiar role of X factor - Heat Index Blog - ESPN

the x-factor bit is a decent article, but wtf is with the bolded bit in the second part?

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MIAMI -- For a guy who's one of the quietest stars in the NBA, Chris Bosh certainly finds himself in the crosshairs of controversy and criticism quite frequently.

It's been that way all season.

Bosh wouldn't expect anything different entering the Eastern Conference finals, where he'll take his normal seat under the spotlight of scrutiny as the Miami Heat prepare for Game 1 against the Chicago Bulls on Sunday at the United Center.

“Bad games are going to happen,” Bosh said Saturday in trying to both justify and dismiss that career-worst, frigid 1-of-18 shooting performance from his last visit to the Windy City. “I can't point the finger at anything on that one. I just want to force myself to be more aggressive.”

With the Heat and Bulls each having distinct matchup advantages in the series, it's Bosh's presence -- or potential lack thereof -- at power forward that could prove to be pivohttp://www.raptorsforum.com/f/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=6tal in this showdown.

Before moving forward, let's quickly recap how we arrived at the place where Bosh became the key that could unlock the Heat's door to the NBA Finals. Here's a quick matchup breakdown:
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There's also a back story that adds intrigue to the Boozer-Bosh tale of the tape.

They entered free agency last summer as the two of the top power forwards on the open market. Boozer, who owns a home in Miami, where his children had been attending school, openly campaigned for consideration from the Heat.

Riley and the Heat were more enamored with Bosh, who shared an agent with Wade and was always considered part of a package deal. The Bulls also recruited Bosh, and Boozer didn't appreciate having his free agency essentially put on hold until Bosh made up his mind.

Bosh joined the Heat and Boozer was quickly snatched up by the Bulls.

So it created only more suspense when Boozer, asked about facing the Heat after the Bulls eliminated the Hawks, mentioned that Miami had two great players. It was widely viewed as a shot at Bosh as much as it was an offering of praise for Wade and James.

Bill Haverchuck 05-15-2011 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 538829)
but wtf is with the bolded bit in the second part?

Is that rhetorical? Or are you really unsure?

If my interpretation is correct, the author is simply pointing out that Wade and Bosh were looking to play together, which was understood by Riley. To keep Wade, Riley needed to bring in Bosh as the PF (instead of others like Boozer) - it was a "package deal".

VanCity 05-15-2011 01:18 AM

imo bosh is gonna struggle quite a bit against noah....

'trane 05-15-2011 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 538834)
Is that rhetorical? Or are you really unsure?

If my interpretation is correct, the author is simply pointing out that Wade and Bosh were looking to play together, which was understood by Riley. To keep Wade, Riley needed to bring in Bosh as the PF (instead of others like Boozer) - it was a "package deal".

i guess my question is what does 'always' mean? always during the free agent period, or always always?

Naj_Irban 05-15-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by VanCity (Post 538835)
imo bosh is gonna struggle quite a bit against noah....

ORRRR Bosh is gonna have Noah in foul trouble, leaving him free to abuse lil Taj Gibson in the post. I hope Bosh has a good series.

jeffb 05-15-2011 09:59 AM

Who argued a couple weeks ago that Bosh couldn't be considered an X factor?

Don Vito 05-15-2011 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 538867)
Who argued a couple weeks ago that Bosh couldn't be considered an X factor?

The only X-Factor is his flopping.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp...-Bosh-Flop.jpg

jeffb 05-15-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 538870)

That makes him even more of an XFactor. Lol

babyface 05-15-2011 10:24 AM

Bosh is a x-factor because he tends to disappear in games; I don't think that's a good thing

jeffb 05-15-2011 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by babyface (Post 538876)
Bosh is a x-factor because he tends to disappear in games; I don't think that's a good thing

Bound to happen playing with Lebron and Wade who dominate the ball. Also, bound to happen to third options.

Scully 05-15-2011 10:36 AM

Bosh is an X factor because his play will be what wins or loses this series. People, media, ect keep on stating the Bulls will win or lose on Rose's back. But the Bulls are the number one Defense, the number one Offensive rebounding team, their front court is super physical and won't be grasping for straws like Boston when they look to the bench. Personally all the pressure of this series is on the Miami front court, which is going to look very thin with Asik and Gibson playing big minutes. Miami hasen't beat them yet.

Superjudge 05-15-2011 11:39 AM

Who cares.

Bosh..... long gone.

I hate miami. they are a team that is showcasing whats wrong with the nBA in my opinion. I hope they win. they will have their trophy, and talk about "greatness" and compare themselves with other men that actually earned their rings the hard way, not but entering an All-star team built on unrestricted free agency and behind the scenes collusion.

you can't take the rings away from these guys, they will win them fair and square. I just won't really respect them, nor will I feel it in me heart that they are a true championship team.

Bill Haverchuck 05-15-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 538852)
i guess my question is what does 'always' mean? always during the free agent period, or always always?

Ah, I see. Hmm...given that the previous paragraph mentions the start of the free agency period, I just took for granted that the author meant last summer. However, after reading it a second time, it does seem a bit odd to use the term "always" in a discussion of the mindset an organization was in for a brief period of time; free agency didn't last very long.

hontoni 05-15-2011 01:25 PM

That was not flopping. Bosh just couldn't handle Boozer's ki power :D

forme123 05-15-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 538877)
Bound to happen playing with Lebron and Wade who dominate the ball. Also, bound to happen to third options.

getting good stats is also bound to happen when lebron and wade open up the floor for you and get u open shots......works both ways

jeffb 05-15-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by forme123 (Post 538946)
getting good stats is also bound to happen when lebron and wade open up the floor for you and get u open shots......works both ways

19/8 for the season and averaging a double doulble in the playoffs are good stats as a third option imo.

TORaptor4Ever 05-15-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 538897)
Who cares.

Bosh..... long gone.

I hate miami. they are a team that is showcasing whats wrong with the nBA in my opinion. I hope they win. they will have their trophy, and talk about "greatness" and compare themselves with other men that actually earned their rings the hard way, not but entering an All-star team built on unrestricted free agency and behind the scenes collusion.

you can't take the rings away from these guys, they will win them fair and square. I just won't really respect them, nor will I feel it in me heart that they are a true championship team.

You may not like their personalities but ON THE COURT I'd say that they're doing a great job of showcasing the game.

Up & down with great transitions.... crisp passing.... some nasty iso plays.... stellar D.

Did Kobe earn his rings the hard way? Did KG/Pierce/Allen?

I think that they were just fortunate enough to have GMs who actually knew how to build a winner and went out and did just that.

Bill Haverchuck 05-15-2011 04:17 PM

edit - nevermind

Bill Haverchuck 05-15-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 538963)
I think that they were just fortunate enough to have GMs who actually knew how to build a winner and went out and did just that.

Honest questions:

If you were building the Cavs, do you think you could have done better than Danny Ferry?

What REALISTICALLY could you have done differently than him? You keep claiming the Cavs couldn't build a winner, so James was justified in leaving. However, you never actually list anything concrete that could have been done.

Also, if you were running the Cavs and already had a good center, would you use cap space on the following free agent?:

22 ppg and 5 apg, led the league in steals and was named to the all NBA FIRST defensive team.

Would you sign the player?

Don Vito 05-15-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 538948)
19/8 for the season and averaging a double doulble in the playoffs are good stats as a third option imo.

Why do you keep brining up the third option? He still gets a shit load of touches and being the third option doesn't affect rebounding. Also since when is 8 rebounds good? Hes getting paid a ton of money, 8 rebounds isn't shit. He should be averaging 14 rebounds per game.


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