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bjjs 04-06-2012 01:33 PM

Best sg
 
best sg

TORaptor4Ever 04-06-2012 01:37 PM

Wade.

The Mamba's time has come and gone.

bjjs 04-06-2012 01:38 PM

Wade isn't looking good lately while Kobe keeps hitting big shots. I would have voted the other way 1/2 a year ago.

Ball Don't Lie 04-06-2012 02:41 PM

Wade. Kobes inefficieny and unwillingness to defer despite having 2 monsters in the paint gives Wade the advantage, not to mention the fact that Wade is better and just playing better right now. I think you put Wade on the Lakers and they're definately better at this point.

BTW, it's crazy how theres such a dropoff now at SG. Theres a lot of good to very good ones but no one even close to great to the point where you had to include Allen in the mix lol.

Its weird how Harden is likely to be the best SG in the league in 3 years if no one amazing comes in to the league

halphbreedballer 04-06-2012 02:48 PM

Why is Allen on the list?

LOG 04-06-2012 02:58 PM

Kobe is just terrible this year he has done more damage than good. His shooting % sucks and he is chucking stupid shots instead of involving Bynum and Pau.
Wade is definitely best sg atm

Aamir 04-06-2012 03:00 PM

Rasual.

box92 04-06-2012 03:19 PM

weems

ClutchCity 04-06-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 634135)
Kobe is just terrible this year he has done more damage than good.

Wow. You literally cannot be any more wrong than this.

LOG 04-06-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 634159)
Wow. You literally cannot be any more wrong than this.

Really? the guy thinks that he is MJ even though he is clearly not a Kobe that he use to be, he takes a ton of shots and misses most of them. If he would be passing ball to his teammates Lakers would have way better record than they do now.

jeffb 04-06-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 634175)
Really? the guy thinks that he is MJ even though he is clearly not a Kobe that he use to be, he takes a ton of shots and misses most of them. If he would be passing ball to his teammates Lakers would have way better record than they do now.


Who should he pass to? Take a good look at that roster, they have very few pure scorers aside from Kobe. And who on that team makes them better then 35-20 and being 3rd in the west?

ClutchCity 04-06-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 634175)
Really? the guy thinks that he is MJ even though he is clearly not a Kobe that he use to be, he takes a ton of shots and misses most of them. If he would be passing ball to his teammates Lakers would have way better record than they do now.

So essentially, what you're saying is that the Lakers would be better of without Kobe? Since, according to you, he has done more bad than good, it would only my logical to assume the team would be better without its best player. Interesting.

Look, I understand there have been games in which he struggled big time or through up bricks late in game. But at the end of the day, the Lakers only real perimeter threat this season has been Kobe. You take that out and teams would pack the paint even harder than they have been doing. Bynum is bad at passing out of double teams. We have no shooters. That's a bad mix. It would become 10X easier to guard LAL (especially before they got Sessions).

Also, you exchange Wade/Kobe and I don't think the Lakers are better. Wade is a penetrating guard. With Bynum/Gasol in the paint, it will discourage penetration and encourage perimeter shooter. Wade is a terrible perimeter shooter and a fairly inconsistent mid range shooter.

ClutchCity 04-06-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 634179)
Who should he pass to? Take a good look at that roster, they have very few pure scorers aside from Kobe. And who on that team makes them better then 35-20 and being 3rd in the west?

I would love to know lol

LOG 04-06-2012 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 634179)
Who should he pass to? Take a good look at that roster, they have very few pure scorers aside from Kobe. And who on that team makes them better then 35-20 and being 3rd in the west?

Why not involve Bynum and Gasol more? Bynum is shooting at around 60% and can clearly score more if they give him the ball close to the basket. Gasol is shooting over 50 % not that impresive maybe, but he can definitely score more at good % if KB shares the rock. Sure Kobe is still option number 1 but the guy is just chucking..

jeffb 04-06-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 634185)
Why not involve Bynum and Gasol more? Bynum is shooting at around 60% and can clearly score more if they give him the ball close to the basket. Gasol is shooting over 50 % not that impresive maybe, but he can definitely score more at good % if KB shares the rock. Sure Kobe is still option number 1 but the guy is just chucking..

Why do you think Bynum is shooting 58%? He scores around the rim and gets to the line, you don't run many plays for him. Gasol on the other hand gets his shots and is their second option offensively. But that team lacks offensive depth at the 1-2-3 spots. You give Gasol a couple more shots and take it away from Kobe are they any better then 35-20? Maybe Kobe needs to give it to Metta World Peace more. Lol

Best case scenario going into the season for the Lakers was getting 3rd place in the western conference......where are they right now.....3rd place.

LOG 04-06-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 634181)
So essentially, what you're saying is that the Lakers would be better of without Kobe? Since, according to you, he has done more bad than good, it would only my logical to assume the team would be better without its best player. Interesting.

Look, I understand there have been games in which he struggled big time or through up bricks late in game. But at the end of the day, the Lakers only real perimeter threat this season has been Kobe. You take that out and teams would pack the paint even harder than they have been doing. Bynum is bad at passing out of double teams. We have no shooters. That's a bad mix. It would become 10X easier to guard LAL (especially before they got Sessions).

Also, you exchange Wade/Kobe and I don't think the Lakers are better. Wade is a penetrating guard. With Bynum/Gasol in the paint, it will discourage penetration and encourage perimeter shooter. Wade is a terrible perimeter shooter and a fairly inconsistent mid range shooter.


Not saying that they would do better without him, but if he would make better decisions and take less low % shots they would win more

TORaptor4Ever 04-06-2012 05:03 PM

I don't know why Kobe doesn't run Pick & Roll with Pau.

Those 2 should be killing teams 24/7 with that play.

LOG 04-06-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 634190)
Why do you think Bynum is shooting 58%? He scores around the rim and gets to the line, you don't run many plays for him. Gasol on the other hand gets his shots and is their second option offensively. But that team lacks offensive depth at the 1-2-3 spots. You give Gasol a couple more shots and take it away from Kobe are they any better then 35-20? Maybe Kobe needs to give it to Metta World Peace more. Lol

Best case scenario going into the season for the Lakers was getting 3rd place in the western conference......where are they right now.....3rd place.

So you think that its better for him to shoot when he is double or even triple teamed at times? Because that is exactly what he is doing. It's not too hard to figure out that if there are 2 defenders on Kobe someone is left open, and that someone should get a pass for an open shot. And yes, Metta World Peace or Steve Blake can hit a wide open shot.. If lakers would move the rock more that would take a lot of pressure of Kobe and his % would go up

LOG 04-06-2012 05:36 PM

KOBE’S HERO ACT IS GETTING OUT OF HAND SOSB :cookie:

jeffb 04-06-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 634195)
So you think that its better for him to shoot when he is double or even triple teamed at times? Because that is exactly what he is doing. It's not too hard to figure out that if there are 2 defenders on Kobe someone is left open, and that someone should get a pass for an open shot. And yes, Metta World Peace or Steve Blake can hit a wide open shot.. If lakers would move the rock more that would take a lot of pressure of Kobe and his % would go up


Look, I agree tha Kobe often takes bad shots and is on the decline. But give those above mentioned players a couple more shots and it doesn't put them in a better position then they are currently in. Lakers will go as far as Kobe takes them.


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