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bjjs 04-06-2012 12:16 PM

Best PG
 
Best PG

TORaptor4Ever 04-06-2012 12:32 PM

Lolz. Guess who I chose?

It was between Rondo and Nash for me. Those two guys epitomize the very essence of what I want in my floor general. One just excels at O and the other at D. I chose Rondo though because even with his shaky jumper he can still find a ways to score. Nash has never been great defensively and certainly isn't going to add that to his game before he retires.

jeffb 04-06-2012 12:38 PM

Paul, Williams or Rose imo. Nash's time has come and is nearly gone.

CP3

Ball Don't Lie 04-06-2012 12:40 PM

I still think this is a 2 dog race because the other guys each have 1 huge flaw going against them(Rose's is arguable though).

Paul v Williams.

Just because Williams is on a bad team, don't let that take away from what a great PG he is. He, like Paul, does everything well, the difference being DWill is a bit better in 1 on 1 scenarios on isos vs guards, whereas Paul is the better passer off the dribble. Besides that they're on the same level, which I think is the top level of the PG class in the NBA.

Rondo can't score in crunchtime which is a huge detriment to Bostons crunchtime offence as they cant run the regular stuff they do for him unless it's just straight pick and pop where Rondo will never be shooting off of the pick vs good defences. You cant have teams zoning up your teammates because of your inability to shoot consistantly beyond 10 feet. It amazes me how little he's improved his shooting over the last few years. He's still a 59% FT shooter!!!

Westbrook still makes awful decisions routinely throughout games and is still too obsessed with the mano a mano crap when someone scores on him. And he's nowhere near the passer off the dribble the guys I mentioned above are.

Nash is great but he's a huge liability defensively, and I've noticed this year he's not as able to create vs trapping defences due to him not being as quick.

Rose is probably the best halfcourt finisher(pg) in the NBA, and has improved a lot with his passing off the dribble and pick and roll play, but whether its due to the guys around him or just his playing style, he often takes things in to his own hands and too many times has possessions where he's the only one who touches the ball and forces up contested outside shots instead of probing and taking what the defence gives him. Again, he's improved a lot in this area, and he could very well be the best PG in the NBA bar none in the next few years if he continues to get better creating opportunities for his teammates. But as of now I'm not a huge fan of him taking 20-25 shots a night with a lot of them being contested 2s since he isnt a great great shooter like CP3 or Nash.

And I like Parker, but he's not in the same class as the guys mentioned above besides maybe Westbrook.

So ultimately, I voted for CP3, because he's the best all around PG in my opinion. IMO he's the best pick and roll PG(Nash a hair behind) because of his ability to create openings for teammates, pullup or drive to the rim himself, or create a small to big mismatch with the way he uses angles. He's probably the best dribbler in the NBA, he has a GREAT ast/turnover ratio despite handling the ball so much, and he controls the game how he sees fit at all times. His main weakness is he often isnt aggressive enough in the first 3 quarters of games, but then again, you want your PG getting the other guys going throughout the game. He can basically do anything he wants on the floor vs any matchup, so give me CP3.

bjjs 04-06-2012 12:44 PM

Parker isn't as hungry as these guys over 82 games because he's won it all and he's been playing pro ball for a long time. He flies under the radar, but heads up over a 7 game series, hes on the same level with any of those guys.

TORaptor4Ever 04-06-2012 12:45 PM

I have to say that in terms of skill Paul can't be denied.... there's just always been something about his personality that's bugged me though. can't really disagree with anything in Thrills' analysis though.

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 634101)
Parker isn't as hungry as these guys over 82 games because he's won it all and he's been playing pro ball for a long time. He flies under the radar, but heads up over a 7 game series, hes on the same level with any of those guys.

Agree with this.

A healthy Manu could also rank among the league's best SGs.

Windex 04-06-2012 12:45 PM

Parker, Nash, Rose, Paul, D Will, Rondo

jeffb 04-06-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 634102)


Agree with this.

A healthy Manu could also rank among the league's best SGs.

Yeah i was going to say he belonged there as an option more than Allen at this point.

bjjs 04-06-2012 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 634102)
I have to say that in terms of skill Paul can't be denied.... there's just always been something about his personality that's bugged me though. can't really disagree with anything in Thrills' analysis though.



Agree with this.

A healthy Manu could also rank among the league's best SGs.

I almost put him in...doesn't play enough.

OP13 04-06-2012 12:52 PM

I don't get how some people consider Williams as the best PG in the game. Switch Westbrook or Paul with him and "Nets" is the playoff team. I voted Paul btw.

TORaptor4Ever 04-06-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OP13 (Post 634107)
I don't get how some people consider Williams as the best PG in the game. Switch Westbrook or Paul with him and "Nets" is the playoff team. I voted Paul btw.

I don't think so....

Westbrook would probably lead the league in scoring if he were on the Nets but I doubt they'd be any better.

And Paul is good, but he's only one player. Jersey sucks and have had injury problems as well.

box92 04-06-2012 02:21 PM

jose

Ball Don't Lie 04-06-2012 02:49 PM

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I don't get how some people consider Williams as the best PG in the game. Switch Westbrook or Paul with him and "Nets" is the playoff team.
No one could propel that Nets team to be a playoff team this year, not even Lebron. His 2nd best player is Kris Humphries right now, and they've been decked by injuries. People forget Williams' Jazz years too easily. When he goes to a good team this summer people will remember again, and I'm not even a big DWill fan

jeffb 04-06-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92 (Post 634158)
No one could propel that Nets team to be a playoff team this year, not even Lebron. His 2nd best player is Kris Humphries right now, and they've been decked by injuries. People forget Williams' Jazz years too easily. When he goes to a good team this summer people will remember again, and I'm not even a big DWill fan

He's a top 3 PG. Until he went to NJ he was considered by many to be better than Paul.

LOG 04-06-2012 03:24 PM

You guys are all crazy!!! Rose is the best PG :yeah:

ClutchCity 04-06-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OP13 (Post 634107)
I don't get how some people consider Williams as the best PG in the game. Switch Westbrook or Paul with him and "Nets" is the playoff team. I voted Paul btw.

:dead:

raptor123 04-06-2012 03:39 PM

Jose Calderon should be on the list. He might not be the best but surely his play should have put him on the list. But then..... oh yeah this is a raptors forum and all we do is shit on our players. We have to go to other forums where are players get more respect.:confused2:

jeffb 04-06-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor123 (Post 634184)
Jose Calderon should be on the list. He might not be the best but surely his play should have put him on the list. But then..... oh yeah this is a raptors forum and all we do is shit on our players. We have to go to other forums where are players get more respect.:confused2:


Raptors forum or any forum he wouldn't be on the list. Holy Fuck :sigh:

Sometimes I think you're a plant or a joke account made up by the Mods ala Bryan Colangelo. Lol

LOG 04-06-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor123 (Post 634184)
Jose Calderon should be on the list. He might not be the best but surely his play should have put him on the list. But then..... oh yeah this is a raptors forum and all we do is shit on our players. We have to go to other forums where are players get more respect.:confused2:

:roflmao:

TORaptor4Ever 04-06-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor123 (Post 634184)
Jose Calderon should be on the list. He might not be the best but surely his play should have put him on the list. But then..... oh yeah this is a raptors forum and all we do is shit on our players. We have to go to other forums where are players get more respect.:confused2:

I like Jose.... A LOT... but he's not talented enough to be in this conversation.

If you offer every GM in the league any one of the above PGs or Jose who do you think they're going to choose?


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