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Old 06-19-2012, 08:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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My draft board for raptors

Davis
MKG
Barnes
Drummond
Robinson
Lillard
Ross
Beal
Lamb
P.Jones
Rivers
Marshall
Harkless

Basically one or all of Lillard, Lamb and Ross will be there and will probably be our pick.

I would really like Terrence Ross on our team. After Barnes and MKG he is the best fit. Great shooting, excellent defence, good rebounding and can score off the dribble if needed

Not sure if we want Drommond or Robinson if they fall, I guess we'll have to pick them as BPA.
No way Robinson goes fifth (top 3) and I don't think Ross will go that high. I think we'll be looking at Lamb, Waiters, Rivers with an outside chance at Lillard who'll likely be gone. No way are we getting Beal.

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Old 06-19-2012, 10:06 AM   #22 (permalink)
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No way Robinson goes fifth (top 3) and I don't think Ross will go that high. I think we'll be looking at Lamb, Waiters, Rivers with an outside chance at Lillard who'll likely be gone. No way are we getting Beal.
As long as we don't get stuck with perry jones.... that guy is going to be a stiff.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:20 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Thats not the draft order, thats Raptors order in my mind. If we have a choise between MKG Barnes and Robinson we don't pick Robinson imo
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:22 AM   #24 (permalink)
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According to Lithuanian basketball website Raptors were offered to trade JV for a higher pick
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:33 AM   #25 (permalink)
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According to Lithuanian basketball website Raptors were offered to trade JV for a higher pick
I wouldn't trade JV for the number one pick.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:55 AM   #26 (permalink)
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You can all rest easy Jared Sullinger has been scratched off all GM's list due to chronic back problems...
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:57 AM   #27 (permalink)
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You can all rest easy Jared Sullinger has been scratched off all GM's list due to chronic back problems...
He'd be a great pick in the second round.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:02 AM   #28 (permalink)
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He'd be a great pick in the second round.
I supposed your right...But Jared must be upset man he going to loose a lot of cheddar!
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:16 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I supposed your right...But Jared must be upset man he going to loose a lot of cheddar!
Yeah, he's not falling out of the first round... he had a much more prolific college career than a guy like Blair, and I think if he loses another 20 pounds the back issues won't be so substantial... but I am worried about his 7 reps of 185 on the bench press.... not good.

I think he's a Tyler Hansborough at the next level, which is a solid pick if you're just outside the lottery.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:24 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Yeah, he's not falling out of the first round... he had a much more prolific college career than a guy like Blair, and I think if he loses another 20 pounds the back issues won't be so substantial... but I am worried about his 7 reps of 185 on the bench press.... not good.

I think he's a Tyler Hansborough at the next level, which is a solid pick if you're just outside the lottery.
Really shouldn't matter...Durant could barely do 1 rep. Strength can always be gained with the right trainers and work ethic.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Really shouldn't matter...Durant could barely do 1 rep. Strength can always be gained with the right trainers and work ethic.
I think it matters more when you're a big man with a below the rim power game with questionable back issues. Durant on the wings is completely different, dude has the athleticism and length to account for not being as strong as others and had the frame to at least bulk up... Sullinger is already bulked up and severely undersized.
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I think it matters more when you're a big man with a below the rim power game with questionable back issues. Durant on the wings is completely different, dude has the athleticism and length to account for not being as strong as others and had the frame to at least bulk up... Sullinger is already bulked up and severely undersized.
True but Durant plays the 4 as well and posts up. Dude has strength now to go with that athleticism. Bulk doesn't always translate to strength - in Durant's case if he added bulk it would take away from that athleticism. All I'm saying is he's young, strength is not that difficult to increase.

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True but Durant plays the 4 as well and posts up. Dude has strength now to go with that athleticism. Bulk doesn't always translate to strength - in Durant's case if he added bulk it would take away from that athleticism. All I'm saying is he's young, strength is not that difficult to increase.
Well, Durant doesn't really play the 4 against legit bigs.... but yeah, you can help a player with strenght.... but he tested poorly at the combine in agility and strength, add that in with being undersized, overweight and red flags on his back.... I've just convinced myself that he's a second rounder, but he won't drop that far.

I think your mistake is comparing Durant, a rarity in that his other physical gifts more than make up for his lack of strength whereas Sullinger doesn't possess as many and effort only gets you so far in the pros. Talent beats effort when talent actually puts in the effort.
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Well, Durant doesn't really play the 4 against legit bigs.... but yeah, you can help a player with strenght.... but he tested poorly at the combine in agility and strength, add that in with being undersized, overweight and red flags on his back.... I've just convinced myself that he's a second rounder, but he won't drop that far.

I think your mistake is comparing Durant, a rarity in that his other physical gifts more than make up for his lack of strength whereas Sullinger doesn't possess as many and effort only gets you so far in the pros. Talent beats effort when talent actually puts in the effort.
All true points and I was only focused on the strength component.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:01 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Thats not the draft order, thats Raptors order in my mind. If we have a choise between MKG Barnes and Robinson we don't pick Robinson imo
lol well we don't have to worry about making a decision like that, none of them will be available.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:46 PM   #36 (permalink)
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In all reality, who gives a shit what a guy can bench press, its so irrelevant to me it isnt funny.

How much can he squat?

What can he dead lift?

These are the muscles you box out with, not your effin pecs!
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In all reality, who gives a shit what a guy can bench press, its so irrelevant to me it isnt funny.

How much can he squat?

What can he dead lift?

These are the muscles you box out with, not your effin pecs!
Obviously it's not just about how much he can bench, but it is an indicator along with the fact that his agility blows and he's the height of a shooting guard... it's just another factor. Maybe he can have great glutes for your regimen, but his leaping ability is also subpar. I never said he will suck because he can't benchpress.... but add it all up and the guy might really struggle at the next level.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:07 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I guess, I just don't buy it. That said, I'm not that High on him, he does what he does in College against little kids, that advantage is gone in the NBA
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:36 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I wouldn't trade JV for the number one pick.
Hmm that is a stong statment, I think I would. JV is much more proven and safer player, but Davis has a potential to be a superstar. They wouldn't do it, unless its something like JV+8 for Davis, and that i dont want..
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Hmm that is a stong statment, I think I would. JV is much more proven and safer player, but Davis has a potential to be a superstar. They wouldn't do it, unless its something like JV+8 for Davis, and that i dont want..
I think it's a strong statement to dispute it. JV looks like a legit big that can be dominant on both sides of the ball. Davis looks like he could really struggle offensively. Again, it's my opinion.... I just like JV's skillset I suppose.
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