jeffb

No way Robinson goes fifth (top 3) and I don't think Ross will go that high. I think we'll be looking at Lamb, Waiters, Rivers with an outside chance at Lillard who'll likely be gone. No way are we getting Beal.

carp

As long as we don't get stuck with perry jones.... that guy is going to be a stiff.

Shifty.py

Thats not the draft order, thats Raptors order in my mind. If we have a choise between MKG Barnes and Robinson we don't pick Robinson imo

LOG

According to Lithuanian basketball website Raptors were offered to trade JV for a higher pick

carp

I wouldn't trade JV for the number one pick.

halphbreedballer

You can all rest easy Jared Sullinger has been scratched off all GM's list due to chronic back problems...

carp

He'd be a great pick in the second round.

halphbreedballer

I supposed your right...But Jared must be upset man he going to loose a lot of cheddar!:cookie:

carp

Yeah, he's not falling out of the first round... he had a much more prolific college career than a guy like Blair, and I think if he loses another 20 pounds the back issues won't be so substantial... but I am worried about his 7 reps of 185 on the bench press.... not good.

I think he's a Tyler Hansborough at the next level, which is a solid pick if you're just outside the lottery.

DocHoliday99

Really shouldn't matter...Durant could barely do 1 rep. Strength can always be gained with the right trainers and work ethic.

carp

I think it matters more when you're a big man with a below the rim power game with questionable back issues. Durant on the wings is completely different, dude has the athleticism and length to account for not being as strong as others and had the frame to at least bulk up... Sullinger is already bulked up and severely undersized.

DocHoliday99

True but Durant plays the 4 as well and posts up. Dude has strength now to go with that athleticism. Bulk doesn't always translate to strength - in Durant's case if he added bulk it would take away from that athleticism. All I'm saying is he's young, strength is not that difficult to increase.

carp

Well, Durant doesn't really play the 4 against legit bigs.... but yeah, you can help a player with strenght.... but he tested poorly at the combine in agility and strength, add that in with being undersized, overweight and red flags on his back.... I've just convinced myself that he's a second rounder, but he won't drop that far.

I think your mistake is comparing Durant, a rarity in that his other physical gifts more than make up for his lack of strength whereas Sullinger doesn't possess as many and effort only gets you so far in the pros. Talent beats effort when talent actually puts in the effort.

DocHoliday99

All true points and I was only focused on the strength component.

Aamir

lol well we don't have to worry about making a decision like that, none of them will be available.

Superjudge

In all reality, who gives a shit what a guy can bench press, its so irrelevant to me it isnt funny.

How much can he squat?

What can he dead lift?

These are the muscles you box out with, not your effin pecs!

carp

Obviously it's not just about how much he can bench, but it is an indicator along with the fact that his agility blows and he's the height of a shooting guard... it's just another factor. Maybe he can have great glutes for your regimen, but his leaping ability is also subpar. I never said he will suck because he can't benchpress.... but add it all up and the guy might really struggle at the next level.

Superjudge

I guess, I just don't buy it. That said, I'm not that High on him, he does what he does in College against little kids, that advantage is gone in the NBA

LOG

Hmm that is a stong statment, I think I would. JV is much more proven and safer player, but Davis has a potential to be a superstar. They wouldn't do it, unless its something like JV+8 for Davis, and that i dont want..

carp

I think it's a strong statement to dispute it. JV looks like a legit big that can be dominant on both sides of the ball. Davis looks like he could really struggle offensively. Again, it's my opinion.... I just like JV's skillset I suppose.