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View Poll Results: Who will win the Larry O'Brien trophy this season?
Miami 24 41.38%
Indiana 13 22.41%
Chicago 2 3.45%
Brooklyn 1 1.72%
New York 2 3.45%
San Antonio 10 17.24%
Oklahoma City 1 1.72%
Los Angeles Clippers 1 1.72%
Golden State Warriors 3 5.17%
Houston Rockets 1 1.72%
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:07 PM   #2641 (permalink)
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so the spurs have pretty much been in the playoffs for a whole generation
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:12 PM   #2642 (permalink)
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so the spurs have pretty much been in the playoffs for a whole generation
yep, i the western conference.
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Old 03-26-2014, 05:30 PM   #2643 (permalink)
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And not just the playoffs, but winning 50+. Mostly more than 55 wins.
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:36 PM   #2644 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2014, 09:36 PM   #2645 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:45 PM   #2646 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:59 PM   #2647 (permalink)
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Sick game, good ending.

This was a massive win for Indiana. Not only did they finally play up to their usual level after looking like a lottery team for the past 2 months, but Evan Turner finally had an impact on them winning a game, which could be huge for both his confidence and their team going forward. He hit 2 crucial buckets late in the game.

Also, Spoelstras coaching really should be questioned, not fouling when down 4 with 34 seconds remaining, and then not calling a time out immediately after getting the rebound. He's lucky Bosh got that look after so much time had been wasted getting it up the court, especially with Lebron tip toeing to stay inbounds after getting the rebound, wasting a few more seconds
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29 Points, 13 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 2 Blocks, and 2 Steals shooting 60% from the field.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:25 PM   #2649 (permalink)
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Sick game, good ending.

This was a massive win for Indiana. Not only did they finally play up to their usual level after looking like a lottery team for the past 2 months, but Evan Turner finally had an impact on them winning a game, which could be huge for both his confidence and their team going forward. He hit 2 crucial buckets late in the game.

Also, Spoelstras coaching really should be questioned, not fouling when down 4 with 34 seconds remaining, and then not calling a time out immediately after getting the rebound. He's lucky Bosh got that look after so much time had been wasted getting it up the court, especially with Lebron tip toeing to stay inbounds after getting the rebound, wasting a few more seconds
I thought they did a perfect job in the end. The strategy payed off. They got within one. Now you are saying they got lucky? The plan was to get a stop and a quick three, save that last time-out. How is someone having and executing a plan suddenly lucky?

If Bosh had a little bit more composure on that last shot, he had more then enough time and space to hit it, would they still be lucky?

Indiana looked like crap to me. They've barley beaten Miami playing at 60% of their potential. Not saying Miami does not need to start playing better but the Pacers do not impress me.
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I thought they did a perfect job in the end. The strategy payed off. They got within one. Now you are saying they got lucky? The plan was to get a stop and a quick three, save that last time-out. How is someone having and executing a plan suddenly lucky?

If Bosh had a little bit more composure on that last shot, he had more then enough time and space to hit it, would they still be lucky?

Indiana looked like crap to me. They've barley beaten Miami playing at 60% of their potential. Not saying Miami does not need to start playing better but the Pacers do not impress me.
He questions coaches decisions. It's what he does.
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Old 03-27-2014, 12:55 AM   #2651 (permalink)
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Memphis carving up Utah late. Utah showing their youth late in this game
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:01 AM   #2652 (permalink)
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I thought the officiating was pretty bad in the Indi/Miami game.

They were calling player reactions all game instead of the actual contact. The officials were a step slow. It was ugly.
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Boy the Heat just don't look right
Lebron is an odd one. I don't completely understand him. The number of unmakeable shots he takes is boggling. He has somebody in the post, shotclock running down...crazy exaggerated Dirk Nowitzki fade away. He's got an open three, he doesn't take and instead waits for his defender to get in position, jabs a few times and dribbles taking a drifting contested three pointer.

It's like he is taking his opponent's opportunity to stop him away from the opponent by stopping himself. I really preferred the Lebron at the start of the season who was punishing teams in the post. Maybe the Heat are saving that Lebron for the playoffs.

That's why the Heat don't look right - Lebron hasn't looked right for awhile.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:09 PM   #2655 (permalink)
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I thought they did a perfect job in the end. The strategy payed off. They got within one. Now you are saying they got lucky? The plan was to get a stop and a quick three, save that last time-out. How is someone having and executing a plan suddenly lucky?

If Bosh had a little bit more composure on that last shot, he had more then enough time and space to hit it, would they still be lucky?

Indiana looked like crap to me. They've barley beaten Miami playing at 60% of their potential. Not saying Miami does not need to start playing better but the Pacers do not impress me.
You're being results oriented. Everything had to go right for the Heat to win with how Spoelstra played it.

34 seconds left down 4, and you let Indiana play it out. If Indiana scores, the game is essentially over. If Indiana runs out the clock, you only have 10 seconds to HOPE to hit a 3, and then foul immediately. That's assuming MIA even secures the rebound. So in this scenario, MIA must get a clean rebound against one of the better offensive rebounding teams in the NBA, and rush it up the court and create a quick 3 against the leagues best defence. Sound good to you? Me neither.

Luckily, MIA barely secured the rebound with Lebron tip toeing the line, hit a 3 with only a few seconds left on the clock, and then Hill choked, giving MIA an opportunity to win it, where a larger percentage of the time they'd only be playing to tie the game with a 3 IF THEY'RE LUCKY and IND doesn't score on the original possesion, or get an offensive rebound after running out the clock.

If IND scores on the original possession, or IND secures the offensive rebound, or if their was a battle for the offensive rebound taking more time off of the clock, or if Bosh missed that 3, everyone would be calling for Spoelstras head wondering why he wouldn't use conventional wisdom and foul to extend the game. But because everything went perfect on those 2 possesions, and Bosh hit it, you thinks it was well coached, when 90% of the time it doesn't go perfect/perfect like that.

Do you see how flawed your argument is?
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You're being results oriented. Everything had to go right for the Heat to win with how Spoelstra played it.

34 seconds left down 4, and you let Indiana play it out. If Indiana scores, the game is essentially over. If Indiana runs out the clock, you only have 10 seconds to HOPE to hit a 3, and then foul immediately. That's assuming MIA even secures the rebound. So in this scenario, MIA must get a clean rebound against one of the better offensive rebounding teams in the NBA, and rush it up the court and create a quick 3 against the leagues best defence. Sound good to you? Me neither.

Luckily, MIA barely secured the rebound with Lebron tip toeing the line, hit a 3 with only a few seconds left on the clock, and then Hill choked, giving MIA an opportunity to win it, where a larger percentage of the time they'd only be playing to tie the game with a 3 IF THEY'RE LUCKY and IND doesn't score on the original possesion, or get an offensive rebound after running out the clock.

If IND scores on the original possession, or IND secures the offensive rebound, or if their was a battle for the offensive rebound taking more time off of the clock, or if Bosh missed that 3, everyone would be calling for Spoelstras head wondering why he wouldn't use conventional wisdom and foul to extend the game. But because everything went perfect on those 2 possesions, and Bosh hit it, you thinks it was well coached, when 90% of the time it doesn't go perfect/perfect like that.

Do you see how flawed your argument is?
Bwahhaa! Thank you for the laugh, honestly! I have no argument in this buddy, the thing worked and all you have to say is Spoelstra got lucky.

The strategy worked, it gave them a chance to win with the last shot. There are no "ands ifs or buts".

If I were to go with your logic: "If West missed that three everyone would be up in arms and would want him waived, he only hit three threes this season before that one, should have gone with the conventional wisdom and given the ball to their best player."

Or I could just say he got lucky as if he threw the ball half way across the court.

Ridiculous.

But as I said, no "ands ifs or buts". There is no one way. Something might work just once in a hundred attempts but the fact still remains it can work. It comes to making a decision and following through. Spoelstra and the coaching staff made a decision, players agreed, they executed and got them within the striking distance. Even if George Hill hit both free throws, they would still have a chance to tie it with a three.

There was a time-out. They thought of things to do. Spoelstra knew what his team can do and went with it. Bosh hit that three because the defence didn't have enough time to get in to position which is directly increasing Miami's chance which was part of the conscious decision. It saved them their time-out and just enough time to beat the buzzer. It took away from that best defense in the league as you said.

Of course it was risky but they had nothing to lose in the position they were in. This was their best chance and it almost won them the game.

But you are consciously deciding to label it all as just being lucky. I don't know why you have the need to constantly trash coaches, be it Casey, Scot Brooks, Spoelstra or whoever, but it has become quite funny how you find ways. And by funny, I mean taking it too far beyond the point of being taken seriously.

And some luck is always part of the game.
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Brooks and Casey deserve to be trashed, especially Brooks. He has a legit title contender and he squanders away his teams great opportunity because he still can't recognize that his team is at its best with Serge at the 5 for extended periods of time. His 'play calling' late in games is some of the worst I've seen. It's comical really.

I normally don't trash Spoelstra as I think he's a very good coach, but I didn't agree with his strategy last night.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:28 PM   #2658 (permalink)
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Scot Brooks record not counting the first season(the team was in rebuild): 212-100
Team improving every year including the post-season success.
If Westbrook was healthy last year, they probably would have gotten to the finals again.

The funniest part is you stick with late game play-calling. I actually had to google a proper smiley.

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Old 03-27-2014, 02:37 PM   #2659 (permalink)
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I thought Oklahoma regressed quite a bit last year, but regardless, Brooks seems to have them back on track.

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No, I said his propensity to not use Serge/Collison and Serge/KD frontcourts for the majority of games, and continually go with Perkins against small teams, or any teams really, is mind bogglingly bad.

And yes, his playcalling late in games is horrible. You'd know that if you had watched a few games and didnt just look up team stats online and try to prove that he's a good coach with that, when superjudge could stand on the sidelines for that team and they'd win 55+ games. They continually lose games they should win because Westbrook runs out the clock and goes ISO with no movement in their offence, or they run a simple pindown set for KD, and then if the initial shot isn't there, their offence again reverts back to ISO ball with a set defence able to effectively zone the play and give no lanes for their best players to do what they do best.

It's odd because they've gotten better at it throughout the course of the first 3 quarters, but in the 4th quarters against good teams, they revert back to their bad habits. That's on Brooks, and I'm sure you'll see it again this year in the playoffs too.
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