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Old 10-29-2009, 10:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Disgraced former NBA referee Tim Donaghy's new tell-all book, "Blowing the Whistle: The Culture of Fraud in the NBA," has been canceled by publishers over concerns of potential liability.

After reading some of the excerpts, this news comes as no surprise.

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For example, here's Donaghy throwing Dick Bavetta under the bus:

"Two weeks before the 2003-04 season ended, Bavetta and I were assigned to officiate a game in Oakland. That afternoon before the tip-off, we were discussing an upcoming game on our schedule. It was the last regular-season game we were scheduled to work, pitting Denver against San Antonio. Denver had lost a game a few weeks prior because of a mistake made by the referees, a loss that could be the difference between them making or missing the playoffs. Bavetta told me Denver needed the win and that it would look bad for the staff and the league if the Nuggets missed the playoffs by one game. There were still a few games left on the schedule before the end of the season, and the standings could potentially change. But on that day in Oakland, Bavetta looked at me and casually stated, 'Denver will win if they need the game. That's why I'm on it.'"

"I was thinking, How is Denver going to win on the road in San Antonio? At the time, the Spurs were arguably the best team in the league. Bavetta answered my question before it was asked.

'Duncan will be on the bench with three fouls within the first five minutes of the game,' he calmly stated.

Bavetta went on to inform me that it wasn't the first time the NBA assigned him to a game for a specific purpose. He cited examples, including the 1993 playoff series when he put New jersey guard Drazen Petrovic on the bench with quick fouls to help Cleveland beat the Nets. He also spoke openly about the 2002 Los Angeles-Sacramento series and called himself the NBA's 'go-to guy.'

As it turned out, Denver didn't need the win after all; they locked up a spot in the playoffs before they got to San Antonio. In a twist of fate, it was the Spurs that ended up needing the win to have a shot at the division title, and Bavetta generously accommodated. In our pregame meeting, he talked about how important the game was to San Antonio and how meaningless it was to Denver, and that San Antonio was going to get the benefit of the calls that night. Armed with this inside information, I called Jack Concannon before the game and told him to bet the Spurs.

To no surprise, we won big. San Antonio blew Denver out of the building that evening, winning by 26 points. When Jack called me the following morning, he expressed amazement at the way an NBA game could be manipulated. Sobering, yes; amazing, no. That's how the game is played in the National Basketball Association."

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, that's fucked up. That's all I gotta say.
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Read a bunch of excerpts here.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Does his book have a chapter on Atlanta's clock operators and score keepers?
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I bet Donaghy is just bulshitting now after he got canned.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Personally I was never into NBA officiating. I hate it when broadcasters tell me "its a home town call" or "he is a star he'll usually get that call". I can't believe the NBA has embedded itself so far into culture that it has trained broadcasters and fans to except certain calls.

I miss it when the top teams where tough stars included not this cream puff NBA we know now.


Saying that, I dunno wheather to believe this clown ref selling out the most respected NBA Officiator or not but I do know officiating is one of my pet peeves of the NBA.
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I hate saying this, but I have been saying this for YEARS, literally years.

I use it to explain that while MJ or Kobe are good players, they aint that good, but the NBA will make damn sure they stay on top.

I love being vindicated.

It's a good feeling.
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I bet Donaghy is just bulshitting now after he got canned.
Don't be Nieve Gurk my man, this is the nBA, it's entertainment, not sports.
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Don't be Nieve Gurk my man, this is the nBA, it's entertainment, not sports.
There is no reason to stop doing it even if they are now "caught"

It's just like the WWE, sports entertainment.... The only difference is, the players aren't told what the final script will be.

No one is going to stop watching because of this.
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You're right.

I mean hell, I have been watching all along.

It's not that they can determine the outcome, they just control the game.

It makes it very, VERY hard for a team like Toronto to ever make it to the top. It's probably why so many players don't wanna play in toronto.

They don't think they will get the Home cooking.

If Bargs can keep it up, Toronto will have two guys on the Marquee list, and that will be worth 10 wins alone of you ask me.
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Why didn't Donaghy reveal all of this when he was under oath?
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Why didn't Donaghy reveal all of this when he was under oath?
Would it really help his case? Also, only way it would help him is if the Judge or Crown wanted to make a case for the NBA and would they really want to go down that road?
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He probably wasnt asked.
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You're right.

I mean hell, I have been watching all along.

It's not that they can determine the outcome, they just control the game.

It makes it very, VERY hard for a team like Toronto to ever make it to the top. It's probably why so many players don't wanna play in toronto.

They don't think they will get the Home cooking.

If Bargs can keep it up, Toronto will have two guys on the Marquee list, and that will be worth 10 wins alone of you ask me.
There are two parts of this statement that infuriate me:

1) You have the deck stacked against you as a fan in a smaller market because you won't bring in the revenue. Easier to "make a star" out of people where the most money can be made (that's also where the big money bets will happen)

2) You have players that should in their own right be stars because they have all the tools and ability but aren't ever given a fair shake. You think about how frustrating it would be to give your heart and soul to something, only to find out it was never real!
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:06 AM   #15 (permalink)
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No shit.

ever watch Bell guard Kobe?

Bargnani in the post against Howard when Howard straight arms his way into the paint to get position. Any non-marketable player guarding a star????

Do people really think that a game of basketball is that one sided?

Do they think that everytime Kobe has the ball, he is so good he can beat anyone who guards him????

Do they play themselves????

Basketball games should never be 120 points.

It's funny, I have so much respect for team slike the recent Pistons or Spurs teams, that have won the title with fewer "Marquee" guys. It means they are buying is, every play of every game to playing proper, intense fundamentally sound basketball. They make it impossible for the Officials to control thier destiny.
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Typical whistle-blower fairy tale. Like Acie said- why not mention any of this while under oath? Why not name any names? He sure as hell had the incentives to do so.

Refs risked their careers for a 50 dollar bet? Riiiiiiight... Excuse me for not taking an embittered employees baseless anecdotes at face value.

It boils down to one point, and i always mention it whenever this is brought up.

- why would the nba rig games when its got so much more to lose than to gain? Who risks a billion to make a million? David Stern is not stupid.

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i agree with both NS and SJ.

I find the concept of the league influencing match outcomes pretty far-fetched for the same reasons that NS outlined.

but at the same time, it's pretty obvious that stars get favored in this league for the lame-ass reason of "selling the game". They do this shit in pretty much every sport and it's completely unfair.
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Last night on Inside the NBA both Barkley and McHale were pretty candid. They agreed that there were different rules for stars and that certain refs had it in for certain players, but Kenny skirted the issue.

Here's Dan Wetzel's take on it:

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Elizabeth Ventura, the NBA’s senior vice president of communications, said in a statement Thursday that Donaghy’s allegations were investigated by the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in 2008, and that the only criminal conduct discovered was that of Donaghy. The latest allegations, Ventura said, will be forwarded to former federal prosecutor Lawrence Pedowitz, who reviewed the league’s officiating program two years ago.

The suggestion of a league-office effort to control the games is where I generally draw the line on these conspiracies. Individual referees showing blatant favoritism or vengeance? Absolutely, that’s human nature.

The idea of David Stern sitting in his Manhattan tower committing federal crimes and risking the future of a billion-dollar business to potentially make a few more million from a favorable outcome?

Nope.

I don’t believe it’s true in the NBA, MLB, college football or any other sport (other than boxing) where referees are currently under fire. These vast plans would be suicidal for people with little motivation to conduct them.

Besides, in the NBA, there have been too many Finals sweeps. There’s been too many Pistons-Spurs series. There’s been too many games begging for referee intervention that never arrived.

There are plenty of NBA fans who won’t ever agree with me, and, courtesy of Tim Donaghy, there’s more grist for the mill. That’s fine. No one can be completely sure what’s true or not.

The NBA can only deny it all.

The league’s biggest problem is that many of the most convinced conspiracy theorists are drawing league paychecks. And if they aren’t buying the NBA’s denial, why should anyone else?
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i agree with both NS and SJ.

I find the concept of the league influencing match outcomes pretty far-fetched for the same reasons that NS outlined.

but at the same time, it's pretty obvious that stars get favored in this league for the lame-ass reason of "selling the game". They do this shit in pretty much every sport and it's completely unfair.
I dunno I'd say some sports are worst than others. If I look at all the sports I follow (some more than others) I'd say the NFL is prob the most "fair" if their is a sport that calls it down the middle. Although they do have the benefit of officiating a sport that stops for 40 some odd seconds before the next play is called.

I think the NBAs biggest problem is the acceptance of certain calls. You start accepting some calls than it leaves the window open to sneak in some others. Then you have Refs having way too much clout then you got the NBA.
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Typical whistle-blower fairy tale. Like Acie said- why not mention any of this while under oath? Why not name any names? He sure as hell had the incentives to do so.

Refs risked their careers for a 50 dollar bet? Riiiiiiight... Excuse me for not taking an embittered employees baseless anecdotes at face value.

It boils down to one point, and i always mention it whenever this is brought up.

- why would the nba rig games when its got so much more to lose than to gain? Who risks a billion to make a million? David Stern is not stupid.
You are assuming that they were directly TOLD to do something like this.

If you constantly pound into people that certain calls were done incorrectly, stress how important and special some people or games are, then you can naturally influence them to make the calls you want without telling them to.

I'm not suggesting it's some crazy mind-fuck going on but think about it. If every time you called a charge on Kobe and everytime the league got mad at you for it, would you keep calling the charge? HELL no, you'd feel your job was in jeopardy for calling it!

Why would he not mention any of this? There are a multitude of possible reasons:

1) Advised not to by his counsel

2) By admitting this goes on in court that doesn't help him. It explicitly admits he is guilty

3) Would people even believe him? It may hurt his credibility and therefore the outcome of his case.

4) How much money would you make talking about this on the stand? If I'm going to jail anyways, I'm getting paid.

5) If he survived the scandal he still wanted his high paying job?

6) He didn't want to sell out some people but now that everyone else sent him up shit creek he decided he doesn't care.

There are 6 things I just came up with off the top of my head.....
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