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Isnt it unbelieveable that this guy got like 50 million over a longterm deal when nobody was even in the market over the MLE(if that) for him? I still dont understand why a) they signed him so long, and b) why they signed him for that much when no one else was offering anywhere near that kind of money.

Oh yeah, and C) Everyone knew that hed be a terrible fit beside shaq because bigs could just clog the lane with no consequence since neither can shoot. They would have a fantastic team if they had Andy off the bench and a guy like Troy Murphy starting, a stretch 4 who can open up the floor for Lebron to REALLY do damage.

Now theyre just stuck with 2 lane cloggers in a terrible offence. Delonte isnt going to help their biggest problems, their 4 position and their coach. If they want to win this year they need a real starting pf who can score.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i thought varejao played amazing today. they came back from a 20 point lead when he was on the floor and shaq and ilgausk on the bench.

not to mention he flops too well. mo. will as well.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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He's an energy/role player. Definately making too much money for what he brings to a game.
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Hes a 2nd big off the bench for a really good team, and 1st big off the bench for a decent team. I dont know why the hell they think hes starter material, especially with the caliber of opposition he goes against at the PF spot which may be the toughest in the NBA
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Isnt it unbelieveable that this guy got like 50 million over a longterm deal when nobody was even in the market over the MLE(if that) for him? I still dont understand why a) they signed him so long, and b) why they signed him for that much when no one else was offering anywhere near that kind of money.

Oh yeah, and C) Everyone knew that hed be a terrible fit beside shaq because bigs could just clog the lane with no consequence since neither can shoot. They would have a fantastic team if they had Andy off the bench and a guy like Troy Murphy starting, a stretch 4 who can open up the floor for Lebron to REALLY do damage.

Now theyre just stuck with 2 lane cloggers in a terrible offence. Delonte isnt going to help their biggest problems, their 4 position and their coach. If they want to win this year they need a real starting pf who can score.

Interesting thread. I don't entirely disagree with everything you said, Thriller, but I am going to play Devil's advocate a bit.

As for "a)", why not sign him 6 years? Signing him to a lengthier deal enables the Cavs to give him the 8 million a year average he wanted, without having to pay him that right away. The Cavs are big time over the luxury tax. The length of the deal enabled them to get Sideshow Bob to accept 6.3 million for this year. That's part of the logic. Not saying I fully endorse it, but it probably made sense to them.

As for "b)", you need to keep in mind the variables of the 2009 market. Nobody would offer him their MLE because they knew Cleveland would match. If anything, the fact that nobody bothered to offer the MLE, is evidence that the league's GMs thought he was worth more than that. Remember what happened to David Lee? Do you not think he is worth the MLE? Fuck yeah, Lee is worth the MLE, but nobody wasted their time making an offer because it would be matched in a heartbeat. People protect assets that are worth protecting, especially big men. Just ask Cuban and Gortat. Since Sideshow is worth more than the MLE, that meant only teams with cap space could go after him. This summer there weren't many teams with space looking for that type of player. In another market, with different teams having money to spend, he might have got offers, just like Lee would have got offers.

Now, in regards to "c)", Shaq is only in Cleveland on a one year stint. Zydrunas's contract is up after this year, and he may retire. You're not going to completely ditch Sideshow just because you're bringing in Shaq for one year. This is despereate attempt to try and win a championship, but there will be a team in Cleveland even if Lebron leaves, and they will need a power forward. So, again, you don't give up on a longterm asset due to a one year expirement.

I completely agree with you that Murphy would be an ideal fit with the Cavs. That's a great call. However, he was not on the market this summer, and there is no indication Indiana is willing to part with him. Since the Cavs were already over the cap, the only real asset the Cavs could sign was Sideshow because they had birds rights on him.

And Cleveland's coach is NOT the issue. He has to play with the chips the GM gives him. Cleveland made an AWESOME adjustment in the second half by playing small ball with Sideshow at Center. The GM brought in Shaq, not the coach. Zydrunas can pop out and hit from the outside, and works well with Sideshow. The coach didn't try to shake that up, the GM did. Just saying.

I could say more, but I've ranted enough.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I always thought it was a desperation move to get LBJ to stay.

He's not worth the money, but he is an excellent lane clogger. Sometimes the ball even falls into his hands. He's just gotta learn to not shoot it.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:53 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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when you read some of the writers comments from the nba world and espn about andrea and his contract and most think he doesnt deserve and come to conclusion it was a bad contract but the no one says anythg about this
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Varaejo was better than Shaq in this game
whenever Shaq entered the Cavs offense got worse and the Raps took advantage with outside shots from Bargs or Bosh taking it to him
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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They might have a bit of a mess there, and maybe picking up Moon and Parker just makes them look too much like Toronto did. Parker was a good idea, but not in the way he's been overused. They look like they are having a tough time figuring out their identity and Varejao is part of that, but also a victim of that. Varejao can be a very nice role player. Yeah they paid too much, and so far he has looked more like Humps than anything else, but he can be a valuable piece of the puzzle.
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Was is not Millsap was a free agent this year? The cavs would've easily outmatched Utah's offer, so what the hell.
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They definitely need a stretch big, but a guy like Murphy wouldn't do much to alleviate their defensive problems (i.e pick and roll defense, guarding perimeter bigs). They could try Lebron at the four, but then that creates all sorts of problems in the backcourt.

I thought they could have made this thing work, but it's obvious that adding a slow big guy should have been the least of their needs. Don't trade for Shaq and fight more vigorously for say, Sheed's signature- they're probably better off in that scenario.
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$50 M ain't that much for a franchise player, which he will be once LeBron leaves.
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Was is not Millsap was a free agent this year? The cavs would've easily outmatched Utah's offer, so what the hell.
No cap space. Varejao = bird rights
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Yeah dude is getting wayyyyyyy to much money for what he's able to do.
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It's important to remember that West wasn't available for this game. As a starter, West would be more effective on both ends imo. Parker is a top notch second unit guy.
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They definitely need a stretch big, but a guy like Murphy wouldn't do much to alleviate their defensive problems (i.e pick and roll defense, guarding perimeter bigs). They could try Lebron at the four, but then that creates all sorts of problems in the backcourt.

I thought they could have made this thing work, but it's obvious that adding a slow big guy should have been the least of their needs. Don't trade for Shaq and fight more vigorously for say, Sheed's signature- they're probably better off in that scenario.
Murphy has always played for more offensive minded teams, so I am not sure that we've seen his best efforts on the defensive end. Given the right system, he might not be a defensive liability. Murphy is fairly mobile. Mo Williams was believed by some to be a poor defender when he was in Milwaukee, but Cleveland's system has improved his play a bit.

I agree that Rasheed would have been a great fit, too. In addition to not trading for Shaq, it would have helped if Lebron had told Sheed that he planned on staying. If the Cavs had brought in Sheed with the MLE, they could have used Ben Wallace's expiring contract as bait to bring in a couple of wings to fill the spots AP and Moon are now filling. As we all know, Vince and Jefferson were on the market. Wallace's expiring contract would have given the Bucks exactly what they got from the Spurs: financial relief. Yeah, there's a lot of "ifs" and "should haves" when you look at the Cavs summer. It's early, though, maybe they turn the ship around.
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