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Old 06-29-2009, 01:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OAKLAND The question was inevitable.

Before Friday's news conference introducing rookie Stephen Curry, word had circulated that the Warriors' trade talks with the Phoenix Suns regarding All-Star power forward Amare Stoudemire were being held up by Curry.

The issue? The Warriors wanted to keep him, and the Suns insisted he be part of the deal leaving the status of the seventh pick in Thursday's NBA draft up in the air.

But when asked whether the Warriors would let Curry get away, coach Don Nelson had an answer ready. And it was definitive.

"No," Nelson said. "I should be clear about that. He wasn't drafted for somebody else. He is not going to be traded. He was drafted because we think he is going to be a terrific player, and he's going to be right here. So he can unpack his bags, he can relax, go buy a house because he ain't goin' anyplace."

The Warriors' refusal to include Curry in the trade likely has killed the chance to get Stoudemire from the Suns. The Warriors are willing to give up center Andris Biedrins, forward Brandan Wright, guard Marco Belinelli and maybe even swingman Kelenna Azubuike. But not Curry.

Curry was a major part of what the Suns wanted. Reports out of Phoenix are that Suns celebrated in the war room when Curry fell to the Warriors.

The initial talk was that no Curry meant no deal for Phoenix. But the Arizona Republic is reporting that Phoenix is still willing to talk to the

Warriors and other teams about Stoudemire, though the Warriors' chances decrease significantly without Curry in the mix.

The Warriors are content with not getting Stoudemire, according to two team sources, if getting him would mean losing Curry.

General manager Larry Riley said during the news conference that, per the Warriors' estimation, Oklahoma power forward Blake Griffin was the top player in the draft and Curry was second.

Nelson said he's been looking for another Steve Nash for a long time and that Curry is as close as he's seen in a young player. Nelson even said he considers Curry the point guard and eventually will shift penciled-in starter Monta Ellis to shooting guard and Stephen Jackson to small forward.

So the Warriors were elated when Curry landed in their laps. They didn't think he would be there at No. 7. But the Minnesota Timberwolves' drafting Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn at No. 6 opened the door.

Curry said he never saw himself falling past No. 7, although New York Knicks management and fans were wishing for him at No. 8.

"I definitely see Golden State as a great fit for the way I play," said Curry, who will wear No. 30. "I'm definitely happy to be a part of this."

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reason the Warriors are fine with potentially missing out on Stoudemire is that they have other options. Riley declined to comment about the reported trade talks, per team policy.

But he said next on the agenda was to address the big-man issue by, preferably, nabbing a veteran power forward who can create offense inside.

For example, the Warriors still can make an offer to Toronto for All-Star power forward Chris Bosh or to Utah for power forward Carlos Boozer, and keep Curry.

It can't be overlooked that Curry might have given the Warriors the out they needed.

Stoudemire likely would have required the maximum extension, which would have put the Warriors on the hook for five years and more than $95 million, including the two years and $34 million Stoudemire has left.

Buyer's remorse might have been inevitable considering Stoudemire has had two microfracture surgeries and a serious eye injury that sidelined him for a significant chunk of last season.

The fan reaction about Stoudemire based on blog comments and fan forums wasn't unanimously positive (probably closer to split), presumably for the aforementioned reasons. But the reaction to the drafting of Curry has been closer to a home run from the fans' perspective.

From the Warriors management's perspective, it was a grand slam. That's why he's staying.
I wonder if they'd offer the Biedrins/Belinelli/Wright package for CB4?
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throw in azubuike and i'd do it for sure.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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throw in azubuike and i'd do it for sure.
Three young wings + a very Solid big?

I'd be willing to do

Bosh/Graham

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Beans/Randolph/Belinelli
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Warriors won't be giving up Randolph. Wright, yes, but not Randolph.
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I wouldn't trade Bosh for a package which was centered around Biedrins.

That's just me.

If they're willing to part with Randolph though, that's a different story. He's a stud in the making.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I definitely don't do that deal. Biedrins will be 10/10 on a regular team, and his defense is wildly overrated. Wright and Belli are in all liklihood trash.

Beasley for Bosh is definitely on the table after Wade's make a move now comments and that's >>> Biedrins/Wright/Belli so yeah I'd rather take that. At least that'd give us a guy who's going to be a 20/8 franchise centerpiece at the very least
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sarcastic giggle, beasley is nice but, he's not a franchise center piece and if we traded Bosh to miami that would be two blockbuster trades involving toronto and miami in the last 5 months.
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I definitely don't do that deal. Biedrins will be 10/10 on a regular team, and his defense is wildly overrated. Wright and Belli are in all liklihood trash.

Beasley for Bosh is definitely on the table after Wade's make a move now comments and that's >>> Biedrins/Wright/Belli so yeah I'd rather take that. At least that'd give us a guy who's going to be a 20/8 franchise centerpiece at the very least
"Beidrins is a 10/10 guy on a regular team...."
you say that so nonchalantly. name me 5 centers in the league who post a double-double?

you want to talk overrated D, Beasley doesnt even know what the word Defense means... 20/8 franchise centerpiece? wow. that franchise centerpiece was benched during the playoffs. i wonder why.
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I definitely don't do that deal. Biedrins will be 10/10 on a regular team, and his defense is wildly overrated. Wright and Belli are in all liklihood trash.

Beasley for Bosh is definitely on the table after Wade's make a move now comments and that's >>> Biedrins/Wright/Belli so yeah I'd rather take that. At least that'd give us a guy who's going to be a 20/8 franchise centerpiece at the very least
What? You'd rather trade for just Beasley than Biedrins, Wright and Bellinelli?
Even if Biedrins is 14 and 10, you're not counting on him to score. He's gonna get garbage points. You're counting on him for defense and rebounding.
Wright and Belinelli were picks just 2 years ago, Wright being a lotto pick. Personally, I like Wright, he's got a ton of promise. He's long, he can score and he's athletic. Belinelli is a straight up shooter. He fills a gaping hole at the 2-guard spot. I thought Beasley was going to come in right away and make a difference. He was being touted as the most ready guy in last year's draft, and he was a flop. He's notoriously selfish and doesn't pay any attention to D. Doesn't quite sound like a guy I'd build my team around..and if he's so good, if he's such a franchise guy, why would Miami be so quick to jettison him as opposed to letting him develop some chemisty with Wade?
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Three young wings + a very Solid big?

I'd be willing to do

Bosh/Graham

for

Beans/Randolph/Belinelli
Replace that with banks.
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Replace that with banks.
Right... because that works.


At any rate, the trade wouldn't work because Biedrins is a BYC player.
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Replace that with banks.
If it got us those three players i don't give a fuck what we give them. But trust me they wouldn't want banks.
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What? You'd rather trade for just Beasley than Biedrins, Wright and Bellinelli?
Even if Biedrins is 14 and 10, you're not counting on him to score. He's gonna get garbage points. You're counting on him for defense and rebounding.
Wright and Belinelli were picks just 2 years ago, Wright being a lotto pick. Personally, I like Wright, he's got a ton of promise. He's long, he can score and he's athletic. Belinelli is a straight up shooter. He fills a gaping hole at the 2-guard spot. I thought Beasley was going to come in right away and make a difference. He was being touted as the most ready guy in last year's draft, and he was a flop. He's notoriously selfish and doesn't pay any attention to D. Doesn't quite sound like a guy I'd build my team around..and if he's so good, if he's such a franchise guy, why would Miami be so quick to jettison him as opposed to letting him develop some chemisty with Wade?
I like Biedrins, but the thing is, how much of an improvement is he over Gortat or Zaza who are available for the MLE? He's a slightly better rebounder, probably around the same offensively, defense is a question mark... he was pretty damn bad at it in GS to be honest but they leave him out to dry all the time. But considering how skinny he is I don't think he'll hold up that well in the post and he won't be a banger... he could be a nice help defender though with his bball IQ. I like Biedrins as a good complimentary player but he's not irreplaceable. If we're going to trade Bosh, then let's use him to find a guy who can be top 2 on a good team worthy player to replace him. Trading a top 2 guy for a complimentary piece won't lead you anywhere because it's much harder to find a high end, all-star player than a role player. We can sign guys like Gortat to play the role Biedrins would here...

Wright has talent but has been around for 2 years and done nothing, plus he's injured all the time. Bellinelli is basically Quincy Douby.

And Beasley flopping as a rookie is a myth. He just got less minutes. Adjusted he put up 20/9 and a 17 PER which is dead in line with Durant and Melo as rookies, and near the end of the year when Haslem went out giving him major minutes, he went on a 25ppg steak. Bosh put up 12/8 his rookie year for comparison. If you compare the two through college and after one year in the NBA, Beasley is actually miles ahead of where he was statistically. Again at worst I think he's going to be Jamison - who was a pretty damn good player himself. At best something like 25/10 like he was in college and we're laughing

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i'd do Bosh for wright, beidrins and bellineli

I've liked wright since he was @ UNC, he seemed like a bosh-lite in the making until he got to GSW where they play him 10mins a game.

beidrins is solid, a LEGIT center and can let Bargs play the 4

bellineli provides depth at our wing positions who can eat some minutes and develop at the same time

I just don't get why GSW hasn't been talking to BC about Bosh, yet their so adamant on Amare...UNLESS BC made it clear Bosh is staying?!?!?
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I wouldn't do any of these hypothetical trades for Bosh unless we are desperate or no chance of making Bosh stay. We lose out in talent in every scenario
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i'd do Bosh for wright, beidrins and bellineli

I've liked wright since he was @ UNC, he seemed like a bosh-lite in the making until he got to GSW where they play him 10mins a game.

beidrins is solid, a LEGIT center and can let Bargs play the 4

bellineli provides depth at our wing positions who can eat some minutes and develop at the same time

I just don't get why GSW hasn't been talking to BC about Bosh, yet their so adamant on Amare...UNLESS BC made it clear Bosh is staying?!?!?
Because Amare is willing to sign an extension before he's traded and Bosh isn't. There's even an article I got from the Phx board on realGM today where Amare's agent says he wants to extend in Phoenix this summer and is willing to commit if they are. So he'd agree to in Golden State too I'm sure and probably already did when that Biedrins/Wright/#7 deal was verbally agreed to

Amare just wants to be the man on his own crap team, I think. He's the anti-Bosh. To the Warriors, a signed Amare is easily >>> an unsigned, possibly rental Bosh. Maybe to anyone, which is bad news for us. The worst thing that can happen to us is Miami doing Beasley for Amare, because that takes the biggest offer off the table and leaves our best option as something like Tyrus Thomas, James Johnson, and Joakim Noah for Bosh. The best thing that can happen is this deal going through or Phoenix committing to Amare, then we have that Miami deal in our back pocket if we want it

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Would be nice if GSW can throw in Turiaf in the package for Bosh
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then we have that Miami deal in our back pocket if we want it
I dont understand your obsession with Beasley. Hes barely 6'8, cant defend, bad attitude problems, his team fined him a bunch of times in his rookie year, and hes not even that great of a scorer. When no one else agrees with you on a trade you know its awful. Its not as bad as your Sasha and Wallace for Bosh laugher, but theres a reason all of the Bosh to Miami articles get scoffed at. Beasley is never going to be a top PF in the NBA because of his height and his lack of a brain. Our defence would reach a whole new level of sucktitude with him starting
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I wouldn't do any of these hypothetical trades for Bosh unless we are desperate or no chance of making Bosh stay. We lose out in talent in every scenario
theres already 0 chance Bosh stays, i'd rather trade him now and let the new young group gain some experience as teammates this yr. randolf or wright i'd do the trade in a heart beat.
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