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The Golden State Warriors are in advanced discussions on a three-way, sign-and-trade scenario centered on delivering a trade exception and Utah Jazz free agent Randy Foye to the Denver Nuggets, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:35 AM   #842 (permalink)
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I'm surprised still no sound of Pekovic.

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Darren Wolfson: Will write more in a.m., but 2 #Twolves notes: yes, they have an offer out to Pek & they offered Stiemsma to everyone. Couldn't get a thing. Twitter @DarrenWolfson

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Also, apparently, the Hawks are looking at Jennings now and want to sign and trade Teague to Milwaukee.

The Hawks are all over the place. No idea if they have a plan.
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Also, apparently, the Hawks are looking at Jennings now and want to sign and trade Teague to Milwaukee.

The Hawks are all over the place. No idea if they have a plan.
Odd, they want the Bucks' current back court to go with Korver, Horford and probably an over paid Bynum?

Jennings, Ellis, Korver, Horford, Bynum - looks like Al and Bynum should have lots of rebounds.:cookie:

It would be a gamble for sure but it may have a nice return if they can pull it all off.
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They won't have the money for all of that (they've signed Millsap).
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They won't have the money for all of that (they've signed Millsap).
That's right, forgot about that move.

If the Hawks land Jennings through a S&T for Teague, would they not have enough to give Bynum a contract? The team had enough for 2 max FA's.

Lots of money for all that, especially if Jennings is had through a trade - which is what the Hawks are trying to do.

Does that mean the Hawks could potentially have a 4 big rotation of Horford, Millsap, Bynum (? - as the rumors go) and ZaZa (if Resigned)

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That's right, forgot about that move.

If the Hawks land Jennings through a S&T for Teague, would they not have enough to give Bynum a contract? The team had enough for 2 max FA's.

Lots of money for all that, especially if Jennings is had through a trade - which is what the Hawks are trying to do.

Does that mean the Hawks could potentially have a 4 big rotation of Horford, Millsap, Bynum (? - as the rumors go) and ZaZa (if Resigned)
Imagine that big man rotation..... but Zaza is already gone..

Apparently we don't need another big cause we have Amir and JV. lol
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Yeah, they can sign 1 more high salary guy. And then they'd still be able to sign and trade Jennings and Teague.

They need to find that guy before the sign and trade though. The sign and trade would eat their cap space. So I guess we will know in the next couple of days.
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Yeah, they can sign 1 more high salary guy. And they'd be able to sign and trade Jennings and Teague. They need to find that guy before the sign and trade though. The sign and trade would eat their cap space.
if they signed someone like bynum to a big deal that ate up their cap space, they would have just as much trouble with the s&t if they were taking more salary back than they were sending away.

it wouldn't matter which order they went in if the total of the salary coming in is more than the available cap space. if the combined total is less, no problem.
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Imagine that big man rotation..... but Zaza is already gone..

Apparently we don't need another big cause we have Amir and JV. lol
ZaZa, sorry I meant to put in Nogueira - who's a really nice 7'0 prospect from Brazil.

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Yeah, they can sign 1 more high salary guy. And they'd be able to sign and trade Jennings and Teague. They need to find that guy before the sign and trade though. The sign and trade would eat their cap space.
Regarding the players, the Hawks had room for 2 max + players, Millsap only signed for 9.5 per. Lots of room to search for another wing....mayber AA (they could use another streaky shooter)

The Hawks could potentially have a 4 big rotation of Horford, Millsap, Bynum (? - as the rumors go) and Noguiera

Jennings/Schroeder
Ellis/Lou
Korver/Stevenson (He has an unguarrenteed contract - was it/will it be picked up?)
Horford/Millsap
Bynum/Noguiera/Muscala

Not bad if it happens and the players (ahem......Bynum) stays healthy.

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They would've had room for 2 max players if they let Teague go and didn't sign role players. Now they signed Millsap / Korver, want to use Teague in a sign and trade, and possibly add 2 rookies, so they can offer Bynum (or Monta) some 12 mil.
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if they signed someone like bynum to a big deal that ate up their cap space, they would have just as much trouble with the s&t if they were taking more salary back than they were sending away.

it wouldn't matter which order they went in if the total of the salary coming in is more than the available cap space. if the combined total is less, no problem.
They have Teague's Bird rights, so they can go over the cap, whether they sign him or sign and trade him.
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If Bynum is healthy and his game hasn't dropped off too much, he'd look really good next to Horford and Millsap. They could cause match-up problems for a higher seed in the playoffs.
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They have Teague's Bird rights, so they can go over the cap, whether they sign him or sign and trade him.
To my knowledge, that only works if you're factoring him in as a cap hold that is taking up cap space.

For example, I believe his qualifying offer was 4-5ish million, with a cap hold of around 6. If you count that in the cap space being used, and they have the room to sign Monta or Bynum ASIDE from that cap hold, then yes they can sign him over the cap.

That's where the birds rights situation fucks with a lot of people's understanings. Typically, a lot of BR cap holds are renounced in order to create room for signings. But I think one example was Portland with Batum a year or two ago. They had him at a cap hold that was cheaper than what they were going to offer him for his contract. And they also had space. So they told his agent to just chill and give them a chance to sign their free agents while his cap hold stayed in place. Then they signed Batum last, and to a more lucrative deal than the cap hold.
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Minnesota trying to trade one of Barea/Ridnour. Can we not get on that?
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To my knowledge, that only works if you're factoring him in as a cap hold that is taking up cap space.

For example, I believe his qualifying offer was 4-5ish million, with a cap hold of around 6. If you count that in the cap space being used, and they have the room to sign Monta or Bynum ASIDE from that cap hold, then yes they can sign him over the cap.

That's where the birds rights situation fucks with a lot of people's understanings. Typically, a lot of BR cap holds are renounced in order to create room for signings. But I think one example was Portland with Batum a year or two ago. They had him at a cap hold that was cheaper than what they were going to offer him for his contract. And they also had space. So they told his agent to just chill and give them a chance to sign their free agents while his cap hold stayed in place. Then they signed Batum last, and to a more lucrative deal than the cap hold.
Yes, that's what I mean. They have some 12 mil aside from Teague's cap hold. Which they need to use before the sign and trade.
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Yeah, the more I think about it, I'm not sure Teague is worth more than $6 million. I checked and that's his cap hold. But, yeah, if Atlanta gets to 52.5 million in salary with his cap hold still on the books, they can sign him for more than $6 million, since they didn't renounce his birds rights.
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The Batum signing reminded me that cap holds on players drafted late and coming off their rookie contracts is an awesome thing to have during a summer when you will have cap space. It's a bit of a loophole in the free agent period.

In fact, I just noticed something I find interesting. Morey isn't taking anybody new on for more than two years, aside from Howard. So they only have Harden, Howard and a couple of rookie contract players signed through then. The summer of 15', Chanlder Parons has a cap hold of 1.8 million.



So, the summer of 15', don't be surprised if Houston is a big player adding somebody significant again, or a couple of solid middling signings, and then Chandler gets his extension last.

Checkmate, bitches. We need a Morey smilie. Pretend Devlin is Morey.
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Yeah, the more I think about it, I'm not sure Teague is worth more than $6 million. I checked and that's his cap hold. But, yeah, if Atlanta gets to 52.5 million in salary with his cap hold still on the books, they can sign him for more than $6 million, since they didn't renounce his birds rights.
for some reason i thought jennings was already getting paid big-ish money, which would mean that their salaries wouldn't match and cap space would be needed. is jennings an rfa right now?
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for some reason i thought jennings was already getting paid big-ish money, which would mean that their salaries wouldn't match and cap space would be needed. is jennings an rfa right now?
Jennings is RFA, but I have no idea what he'll get paid. It could fuck with it or not. In theory, though, you can sign guys over the cap if you don't renounce their holds. It's just rare, because with vets, usually the cap hold is similar to what they are expected to get paid, or the hold is higer so it's already eating the space that they will eventually get paid. The cap hold is not usually lower. Batum type situations are fairly rare.
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