45mil hard cap? Serious hardball
Old 06-29-2011, 12:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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According to NBA executives familiar with the league’s strategies, once the lockout is in place, the owners will push for a hard salary cap of $45 million, the elimination of guaranteed contracts and ask that the players swallow a 33 percent salary cut.

The concessions made in recent weeks, including the “flex cap” of $62 million and a guarantee of $2 billion in annual player payroll, will be off the table.

If this seems certain to guarantee the loss of the entire 2011-12 season, it is because there are owners who think it is necessary for the long-term viability of the league.



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Old 06-29-2011, 12:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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lock-out can't come soon enough imho
best thing for basketball in the long run..present system is NOT working
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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lock-out can't come soon enough imho
best thing for basketball in the long run..present system is NOT working
not working for the owners... its working for the players just fine
another 50 game season on the horizon
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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not working for the owners and fans... its working for the players just fine
another 50 game season on the horizon
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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There needs to be a hard cap or super steams will keep being created. The last thing we need is for Chris Paul and D12 to jump to the Lakers.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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its not like prices are going down for you and me
its about the owners that are in the red wanting to get back in the black... or owners wanting their team to be more profitable
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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meh, they'll end up with a 60+Mil flex cap. just get it over with already.

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Old 06-29-2011, 01:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
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meh, they'll end up with a 60+Mil fex cap. just get it over with already.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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its not like prices are going down for you and me
its about the owners that are in the red wanting to get back in the black... or owners wanting their team to be more profitable
no, prices won't go down...but imho the NBA is getting precariously close to looking like MLB...a few "Haves" and a lot of "Have Nots"
structurally, this league is a mess...a hard cap could be the BEST thing to happen to this league in a long time

when i'm paying $250 of my hard earned money to watch an NBA game, i want to know that my team is playing on the same playing field as everyone else

and that is clearly not the case right now
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I actually would not mind this. but i gues for the time being this can then become the JV forum :P
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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With a hard cap and non guaranteed contracts I could see teams and players getting around this by implementing signing bonuses much like the NFL does. Would need some limits to it but it will net you star players, save your cap and if teams fuck up with the wrong player/contract it won't hurt the rest of the league.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i am predicting a very very long drawn out ordeal... the players and the owners are miles apart currently.
i'm hoping a hard cap gets done, and i wouldnt mind a year off in 2012 to get it done.
we're bottom feeders, and the last thing i want to deal with is the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
the field needs to get levelled.

seriously, look at baseball... does anyone other than NYY/NYM/BOS/PHI make any money or even care about the sport?
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^NY Mets are actually struggling hard right now, same with the Cubs and LA Dodgers.
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meh, they'll end up with a 60+Mil flex cap. just get it over with already.
I doubt it, since with a ~$55M soft cap about 20 of 30 teams lost money.

A 33% pay cut seems too steep and ridiculous (I was hearing 15% elsewhere), but something needs to be done to reign in salaries on teams.

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According to NBA executives familiar with the league’s strategies, once the lockout is in place, the owners will push for a hard salary cap of $45 million, the elimination of guaranteed contracts and ask that the players swallow a 33 percent salary cut.
$45M hard cap sounds like a starting point, not an end point. considering the average team had a payroll of ~$69 million last season, reaching $45M would be extremely difficult. Yes, a 33% paycut would take players to that spot, but that's an extremely bitter pill to swallow. Of course, getting no pay during a recession will definitely make the owners' case a lot easier to swallow, especially because of NBA players' infamous spending habits:

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Ironically, I bet one of our former players - Matt Bonner - will weather this strike just fine. Remember these tidbits:

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Old 06-29-2011, 03:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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$45M hard cap sounds like a starting point, not an end point.
IMO we'll see the basement to the cap be in the 45Mil range while the ceiling will be in the 60Mil range. If a hardcap is implemented there usually is an amount you must spend, and a ceiling.
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There needs to be a hard cap or super steams will keep being created. The last thing we need is for Chris Paul and D12 to jump to the Lakers.
Now that they won't get paid the least they would get is play together

Owners are in the hole they dug themselves. And lockout will hurt them more than any outcome of the talks.
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I welcome a lockout with open arms given how badly our team sucks. Seriously last year i was waiting for the season to end, so i would not object skipping one all together provided the end result is it levels the playing field somewhat and makes it easier for a team in Siberia such as ourselves to compete in the league.
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Hard Cap is a must for Franchises to have equal chances of getting a ring.
Unless you get douchbags like Lebron taking a serious pay cut to win a title.
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:30 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Now that they won't get paid the least they would get is play together

Owners are in the hole they dug themselves. And lockout will hurt them more than any outcome of the talks.
I disagree with you there, owners are typically billionaires or close to it. They've been preparing for this for the last couple years, with salaries off the table - 57% - plus the running costs associated with team for the most part removed, I think them billionaires will be ok. I'm sure at the very least they will be writing what's left off as a loss on their corporate taxes lmao.
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