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Old 06-29-2011, 10:35 PM   #41 (permalink)
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And that's what's driving problems in the NHL. The NFL is a different monster.

It's not competitive parity, it's parity in salary. Big difference.
is that not the goal of a cap, salary parity that controls teams from signing super teams in big markets? The only thing that hurt the NFL was the signing bonus loop hole - this has hurt teams long term.

The NHL doesn't come close to the revenues generated by the NBA, the NHL is now hurting themselves with another loophole and thats these 10+ year contracts.

I'm hoping the NBA can create a system that addresses these loop holes and create competitive parity through a balanced salary structure and salary parity

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Old 06-30-2011, 12:00 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Even the 2 billion the NHL shares, isn't enough.

When you have a team like the Florida Panthers at 26 million in salaries and needing to get up to whatever it is right now to stay competitive, you have a big problem.

The NBA has a big issue. Some teams can't even afford the 43 million in salaries. Compounding the issue is that some markets have been devastated due to the recession. Also, the lack of corporate dollars in some markets has hurt.

The system the NBA has right now worked, except it had no teeth. The dollar for dollar luxury tax didn't hurt teams enough. Increase the luxury tax to amounts owners wouldn't spend to and you create an artificial cap.
Part of that, I believe, was that the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax also didn't kick in until about ~12M over the salary cap. If they dropped the luxury tax line to the salary cap, it would make the salary redistribution more aggressive.
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Part of that, I believe, was that the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax also didn't kick in until about ~12M over the salary cap. If they dropped the luxury tax line to the salary cap, it would make the salary redistribution more aggressive.
meh, dropping the luxury tax line has the potential to hurt a lot of middle of the pack teams (possibly smaller market ones) trying to hold on to young players coming off rookie contracts. If you draft well and make smart trades, you will have to go at least a little above the cap (in a soft cap system).

You want to hurt/discourage the really, really big spenders.

I've said this numerous times: I am in favour of multiple tax thresholds. Once you pass a certain level, increase the tax to 200% then 300% above another threshold then %400 and so on.

I think that might really force some owners to rethink their spending. It will also put more money in the pockets of the poorer teams that are collecting the redistribution payments due to being below the tax.

Scenario:

Soft cap at $58 million

Luxury tax starts at $65 million - dollar for dollar

@$70 million 2x per dollar

@$75 million 3x per dollar

@80 million 4x per dollar

@85 million 5x per dollar
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:03 AM   #44 (permalink)
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meh theyll end up with a 60 million flex cap probably.....
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:46 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Unless there is more emphasis on luxury tax and other creative means of balancing things out, we're kidding ourselves if we think this has anything to do with the fans. If they're just going to drop salaries, particularly for rookie contracts, then how does that make a big chunk of teams less like developmental franchises?

I see a bunch trying to save themselves from their own stupidity. Who is responsible from so many bad contracts? And considering that most of those bad contracts result from a system that tries to make things easier by limiting free agency, more rules that attempt to make owning a team idiot-proof is not much of a solution. Bring in a system that allows for the value of players to be properly ascertained, meaning the owners will need to us their heads and trust a free market, and a cap could get some results. Otherwise teams will remain hamstrung by bad contracts and not enough options, while trying to live off of constant rebuilds with rookie deals that they can handle.

Fuck parity. That doesn!t serve this fan at all. I want my team to have a shot at becoming great in any given year, and that involves smart options allowing for player movement, not the restriction of player movement while hoping that all teams suck equally.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:21 AM   #46 (permalink)
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How is a 45 mil cap going to be possible when you have Kobe getting paid 30mil a year and Gasol around 16...lol
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How is a 45 mil cap going to be possible when you have Kobe getting paid 30mil a year and Gasol around 16...lol
I think they're also trying to get players to decrease their salary over the years? Not really sure though.
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I think they're also trying to get players to decrease their salary over the years? Not really sure though.
As of right now, the owners' 45 million dollar hard cap proposal has within it a mandatory 33% pay cut to all existing contracts. It will likely never be accepted by the players, but any hard cap situation will have provisions built in to address this issue (such as pay cuts, or an amnesty clause, etc).
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:44 AM   #49 (permalink)
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i am personally hoping a hard cap gets put in place it is almost a must if teams like the Raptors want to compete. Otherwise every free agency period will just be a circus show were all the big names go to teams like the celtics, lakers, heat, knicks, etc. Then what happens to the other teams that can not attract all the big names? you look at the knicks when chris paul already stated interest in signing their so then you will have another big three with amare, melo, cp3. while i am not a big fan of the NHL their system is probably the best out of all the major sports you dont have douchebags saying "im only playing for this team" and as a result the playing field is equal and their is a new stanley cup champion almost every year.
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i am personally hoping a hard cap gets put in place it is almost a must if teams like the Raptors want to compete. Otherwise every free agency period will just be a circus show were all the big names go to teams like the celtics, lakers, heat, knicks, etc. Then what happens to the other teams that can not attract all the big names? you look at the knicks when chris paul already stated interest in signing their so then you will have another big three with amare, melo, cp3. while i am not a big fan of the NHL their system is probably the best out of all the major sports you dont have douchebags saying "im only playing for this team" and as a result the playing field is equal and their is a new stanley cup champion almost every year.
i think the thing that's different with hockey is that its a different culture. most players are canadian and europeans and a few americans. canadians are just happy to be playing hockey and getting paid, regardless of where they play. Euros are playing outside of their home country regardless of which NHL city. and americans wouldn't care about playing in Canada because hockey is canada's sport and gets all the attention, whereas in any given american NHL city ur at the bottom of the 4 major sports. i'm sure they would rather playing in edmonton or winnipeg than phoenix or atlanta
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