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Old 02-25-2012, 10:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
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They really need to move the draft age up.

These layers are just not ready for the NBA. Its brutal, and it's killing the game in some ways I think. Players in the NBA lack fundamental skills.

I know I stomp all over derozan...but really, what if he had 4 years with a top level NCAA program? And all these bigs, and combo guards.... Instead of having constant supplies of tweeners, 4 years of college would take tweeners and prepare them to be able to actually play the smaller position and utilize their size.
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And what we've been saying is Portland doesn't want Ed and Batum doesn't want Toronto. :P
thanks captain obvious.... no one needs Ed, he's filler. He's a backup small big that would be packaged with the pick. As for Batum not wanting Toronto, that's all bs. If anyone thinks Batum is going to hold that grudge still they've got their head up someone else's ass.
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thanks captain obvious.... no one needs Ed, he's filler. He's a backup small big that would be packaged with the pick. As for Batum not wanting Toronto, that's all bs. If anyone thinks Batum is going to hold that grudge still they've got their head up someone else's ass.
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They really need to move the draft age up.

These layers are just not ready for the NBA. Its brutal, and it's killing the game in some ways I think. Players in the NBA lack fundamental skills.

I know I stomp all over derozan...but really, what if he had 4 years with a top level NCAA program? And all these bigs, and combo guards.... Instead of having constant supplies of tweeners, 4 years of college would take tweeners and prepare them to be able to actually play the smaller position and utilize their size.
hasheem thabeet comes quickly to mind about this argument, but taking a look at dudes like irving (who played like half a season in college) is something to consider as well. win some lose some in the draft pretty much

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hasheem thabeet comes quickly to mind about this argument, but taking a look at dudes like irving (who played like half a season in college) is something to consider as well. win some lose some in the draft pretty much
Tweeners are the biggest tease in NBA drafts..... and in the long run most are far less successful than the rare cases that blossom.
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hasheem thabeet comes quickly to mind about this argument, but taking a look at dudes like irving (who played like half a season in college) is something to consider as well. win some lose some in the draft pretty much
Thabeet was a 3 year player at UCONN so that argument doesn't work well with staying longer in his case.

A lot of them do need more time but like you and other have said sometimes it is not the case(Durant, James, Irving, Wall, etc). I would love a new rule though cause it would make CBB even better/more talent.


Also every year the topic "This is a weak NBA draft class" comes up. Nothing new.....
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Remember when there were some rumblings about whether LeBron could even shoot before he played in the NBA?
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Old 02-25-2012, 03:34 PM   #27 (permalink)
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thanks captain obvious.... no one needs Ed, he's filler. He's a backup small big that would be packaged with the pick. As for Batum not wanting Toronto, that's all bs. If anyone thinks Batum is going to hold that grudge still they've got their head up someone else's ass.
So why would we waste a potential top 5 pick and a big who's got potential(who won't even get the playing time he needs there, ever with Aldridge) on a player who's good but not great? And also one where there were reports that he didn't want to come here or still doesn't or whatever. Batum is pretty nice, but you can get better with those assets, a top 5 pick is still a top 5 pick and to other teams it will garnish some value, not to mention with Ed filled in there. I'd rather try my luck with the SF's in this draft with MKG, Barnes or even a Jones and Quincy. Hell even free agency. If anyone thinks Colangelo will trade his potential top 5 pick and his lottery pick from a few seasons ago for Batum they've also got their head up someone else's ass. Pick goes past 6-7? Sure, maybe.
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So why would we waste a potential top 5 pick and a big who's got potential(who won't even get the playing time he needs there, ever with Aldridge) on a player who's good but not great? And also one where there were reports that he didn't want to come here or still doesn't or whatever. Batum is pretty nice, but you can get better with those assets, a top 5 pick is still a top 5 pick and to other teams it will garnish some value, not to mention with Ed filled in there. I'd rather try my luck with the SF's in this draft with MKG, Barnes or even a Jones and Quincy. Hell even free agency. If anyone thinks Colangelo will trade his potential top 5 pick and his lottery pick from a few seasons ago for Batum they've also got their head up someone else's ass. Pick goes past 6-7? Sure, maybe.
Ed was barely a lottery pick... he went 13th, let's not hype him up too much. As for the deep draft that we're heading towards, let's just see how amazing it is when it happens. It's deep in numbers but not top tier talent. We'll see.... so many people overvalue the draft and how long these prospects take to develop cause they've got their head up their own ass.

I'd trade Ed, he's a tweener, but he would only have value as a piece in a package. Yeah he probably won't get minutes in Portland cause Craig Smith and Kurt Thomas are there.... lol
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Remember when there were some rumblings about whether LeBron could even shoot before he played in the NBA?
Sounds like MKG.....
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Ed was barely a lottery pick... he went 13th, let's not hype him up too much. As for the deep draft that we're heading towards, let's just see how amazing it is when it happens. It's deep in numbers but not top tier talent. We'll see.... so many people overvalue the draft and how long these prospects take to develop cause they've got their head up their own ass.

I'd trade Ed, he's a tweener, but he would only have value as a piece in a package. Yeah he probably won't get minutes in Portland cause Craig Smith and Kurt Thomas are there.... lol
Like I said, you take your chances in this draft because who knows, the next year's draft won't be so special. You take a chance with this pick because there are a few solid SF's that we can get for cheap for a few years and hopefully develop into a player better than Batum. Free agency could maybe someway get you another SF for a similiar if not cheaper price, with the same talent/potential than Batum without giving up anything to another team. I'm not saying Ed will be anything special because he hasn't lived up to expectations this year as much, but the kid was supposed to be a top-3 pick until he broke his wrist. He should have decent value out there. And Portland wouldn't take a chance on someone who needs minutes at the 4 to develop over an All-Star calibre player in Aldridge. Aldridge shouldn't play the 5 either because he's destroying everyone at his spot and could be one of the best PF's in the league. Blazers also have Camby for a year or two and are close to signing Pryzbilla.
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Like I said, you take your chances in this draft because who knows, the next year's draft won't be so special. You take a chance with this pick because there are a few solid SF's that we can get for cheap for a few years and hopefully develop into a player better than Batum. Free agency could maybe someway get you another SF for a similiar if not cheaper price, with the same talent/potential than Batum without giving up anything to another team. I'm not saying Ed will be anything special because he hasn't lived up to expectations this year as much, but the kid was supposed to be a top-3 pick until he broke his wrist. He should have decent value out there. And Portland wouldn't take a chance on someone who needs minutes at the 4 to develop over an All-Star calibre player in Aldridge. Aldridge shouldn't play the 5 either because he's destroying everyone at his spot and could be one of the best PF's in the league. Blazers also have Camby for a year or two and are close to signing Pryzbilla.
At 23 Batum is primed for a big career. He's got fantastic size and length as well as athleticism and skill, positional flexibility and solid defensive instincts. He's a perfect addition and I'd suggest getting another 20 year old isn't a good thing for this team. With JV coming over, it's a prime opportunity to make that kind of play. As for would Portland bite, maybe not... but they could use more frontcourt help as Camby, Thomas and Pryzbilla are very temporary solutions and Oden is done. It's a deal that makes sense if they could use the pick for more frontcourt help as well as they are loaded on the wings even without Batum. Will it happen, no, but don't chastize me for dreaming.

I'm not in the norm but it doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's a fine line between having too much youth and making a leap forward. I have full faith in JV being a top 10 C in the next few years in the mold of an Aldridge or Bogut.

JV, AB, Batum, DD, Jose is a formidable starting 5 and we'd have a bunch of solid reserves in Gray, Amir, JJ, Kleiza, Barbosa, Bayless.

I also think Jose is gonna be traded so we can expect more youth as well.... unless it's A. Davis I'm not overly enthused.
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"Everyone talks about how great this draft is," one NBA GM told ESPN.com. "On paper in July, it really looked that way. On the ground in February, I'm not that impressed. Anthony Davis is great. But after that, there are a lot of question marks and a surprising lack of depth. I'm not sure that the 2012 draft will be better than the 2011 one."

What's causing the pessimism?

Davis has lived up to, and perhaps even surpassed, expectations. But most of the rest of the crop of returning players and freshmen haven't measured up.

NBA Draft - Supposedly stellar prospect crop looks like a bust - ESPN
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I also think Jose is gonna be traded so we can expect more youth as well.... unless it's A. Davis I'm not overly enthused.
ooooooeeeeeee.... tell me more Jeffy!~ ^^^^
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ooooooeeeeeee.... tell me more Jeffy!~ ^^^^
i'm excited considering the amounts of wingers available in this draft, something we've lacked since VC left. Sure there might be no VC in this draft (possibly there will be) but DD plus a winger from this draft looks like a stellar backdrop to me, add to that a pg that will surely be coming in in the near future, im giddy with excitement, GIDDY!
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I believe me and DVS have been saying from the start that this is not that impressive of a year.

Anthony Davis is left. A lot of these other guys? I'm just not sold on any of them. There's rotation players in the group but there are very few 'star' players.
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I believe me and DVS have been saying from the start that this is not that impressive of a year.

Anthony Davis is left. A lot of these other guys? I'm just not sold on any of them. There's rotation players in the group but there are very few 'star' players.
The only other 'star' player I saw in this draft months ago was Drummond, so far that prediction looks to have been a little premature. In fact, I was never entirely sold on the Harrison Barnes hype.

However, in this draft I see a lot of players that can jump in right away and contribute. Many of which would be probably be good enough to at least compete for a starting spot on many teams in the NBA. Just take a look up and down the Mock Drafts. In my opinion that would be considered a 'deep' draft.
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The only other 'star' player I saw in this draft months ago was Drummond, so far that prediction looks to have been a little premature. In fact, I was never entirely sold on the Harrison Barnes hype.

However, in this draft I see a lot of players that can jump in right away and contribute. Many of which would be probably be good enough to at least compete for a starting spot on many teams in the NBA. Just take a look up and down the Mock Drafts. In my opinion that would be considered a 'deep' draft.
I dunno, Barnes, in my view is overrated.

Perry Jones is overrated. Quiny Acy (sp), again, nothing impressive (hell that entire Baylor team is overrated).

Sullinger looks like he may be a rotation guy, but more of a leader type than a contributor. MKG, I have a hard time seeing who he's better than right now).

Drummond (made the right call on staying in school) is horrendous. Jeremy Lamb, again, another guy who just doesn't look that impressive and probably no more than a bench guy.

Austin Rivers is looking better, but I'm not sure what he is.

This year, I'm just not high on anyone and I watch a ton, a ton of college basketball. I haven't been impressed (thoroughly with a class) since 2007.
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This shit happens every year. Most say strong draft, some like to be different and say "mehhh i'm not impressed".
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No idea why everyone is saying MKG. I'm 95% sure he will stay at Kentucky. I am a Kentucky fan (living in Kentucky, I'm not a bandwagoner) and as much as I'd like the Raptors to get a kid like him that plays with so much energy, I just don't see it. He said he wasn't going to be a 1 and done, but who knows. Maybe he might change his mind.

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.................. Let's not trade the pick. So what if there is no franchise player (Lebron, Durant, Rose) in the draft, as long as we get one star player that will fill one position for many years. The franchise needs a major talent infusion, and the best talent comes from the draft.
Don't forget, we are getting a superstar and potential franchise player this summer .......... it's just that we actually drafted him last year.
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