2010 draft vs 2011 draft ?
Old 03-21-2011, 07:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you think about 2010 draft? I think its damn poor. It's just my opinion.
Everyone talking about how weak is 2011 draft class. Worse than this one, really?

1. Wall. Number one and clearly the best player, but even him looks just mediocre, well, a little better than mediocre.
2. Turner. 7 points, 4 rebounds. He is not even a starter, Meeks is... and he is not 19 or smth. he is 22 years old! Damn.
3. Favors. I dont know much about him, but he is 3rd pick and hes just non factor player?
4. Wesley Johnson. He is old rookie. And not the great one. 4th pick...
5. Cousins. This guy is the real deal.
6. Ekpe Udoh. ...
7. Greg Monroe. all right, not very good, but... good.
8. Al-Farouq Aminu. What the hell he is, defensive stopper or what? He cant score, good role player...
9. Gordon Hayward. Nothing much to say. I like hsi playing style, but in the NBA, he is nothing yet
10. Paul George. Good.

So, it's top 10. How many good player it has? Wall, Cousins, George, and, well thats it.
Few other names to mention : Ed Davis, Henry, Bledsoe, Crawford, Fields.
Overall, maybe not that bad, Wall, Cousins, Henry and Fields looks very good. Maybe it because of Turner, Wesley and Favors. They all are top 4 draft picks and their sucks.
So, 2011 draft gonna be worse than this? What do you thing? Irwing, Sullinger, K. Walker, Barnes, Kanter, Williams, Joneses, Freddete, Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Vesely...?
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Not really good to judge a draft after 1 year.
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Not really good to judge a draft after 1 year.
This.
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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WTH???? Wesley Johnson is a good player. There only rookies, just cuz there not an instant factor does not mean this class is weak. They are going to be better. Wall was dealin with a injury thats why hes not talked about much, but hes gonna be at least top 5 pg in the future. Cousins can also be top 5 centres. Greg Monroe is decent yes, but his numbers as a rookie is only a slight preview of what u can expect in the futrue. Im not too sure about the 2011 class if its gonna be weak or not, but i doubt it will be better than this 2010 class. Not to mention last years draft, the 2009 one, was claimed to be a strong draft, yet outside of Griffin , Derozan, and Lawson, im not hearin much from any the big players from that draft. I hardly hear shit about Jennings, and Collison, Evans,Curry etc... any more
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I know its only one year, and I try to judge the rookies. Most of the times, you can recognize big time talents in their rookie seasons. Paul, Rose... And it looks, this draft has no big time talents. Yeah, Henry, Wall and Cousins can be very good, other players can be good, but still...

Wesley johnson is good? really? He is 4th pick. Michael Beasley, who was 2nd pick is considering as a bust, but man, he averaging 19 points per game as a wolf, Johnson averaging 9 points per game as a wolf, and Jonson already 2 years older than beasley. I know he is a rookie and needs to adapt, but man, he is gonna be 24 in months. Terrible 4th pick...
2009 draft is much much stronger. Almost every first rounder is a solid player now (Every except Mullens, and Spaniards Claver, Rubio)

I Just saying, this draft looks pretty weak, and I asking, what do you think about 2011 draft? Its gonna be weaker than this?
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ppl only sayin Beasly is a bust cuz there weere so many better players that went after him, likke Mayo,Love,Gordon,Westbrook and etc... It just shows how ppl are willin to say a player sucks too soon, too soon for them to try and prove themselves. Wesley Johnson is not a bust. He will be a good player, this is rookie season and hes averagin 9.1 pts a game. and so what thats hes gnna be 24??? Age doesnt decide what kinda player ur gnna be in the NBA. Hes kinda havin a similar rookie year to Derozan IMO. Remember Derozan??? ppl bloutin out that we should have got Jennings and how he was a bust, now look at him. IMO hes at least the top 3 in that draft class.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Wesley Johnson is a good player, but not even close to be a 4th pick. Age means he has less time to improve, few more years and he will be on his peak, and thats it. Look, can you imagine NBA without Durant? They guy played as a Supersonic, he is a homey and he is still 1 year younger than Wesley Johnson. Upcoming talents like Barnes, Irving, Valanciunas, Kanter has 5 years to catch up. 5 years, they are 5 years younger than that guy! It's almost a half of your pro career. Thats a big deal.
And look at the 2009 draft. Maybe DeRozan is top 3, but it's hard. Griffin, Evans, Curry, Jennings, Holiday, Collison, Gibson, Blair... Deep draft.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:42 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Both draft classes suck (outside of John Wall). 2012 is more deeper. We need to tank next season and grab Austin Rivers. The guy is capable of averaging 30 ppg in this league. If we don't get Irving we need to get Rivers.
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To be honest, if the Cavs actually do end up choosing Irving #1 I think the whole Baron Davis trade is going to look mighty stupid on their part, given that their star rookie will either be backup to Baron or they'll bench Baron and his large contract.
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Wesley Johnson just scored like 32 the other night...he's a huge part of the rebuilding process in Minnesota. I've heard good things about Favors and Aminu. The Jazz wouldn't demand him in a trade if he's a non-factor. He's one of the most talented bigs in the draft. Hayward and Udoh have been the biggest dissapointments so far. And Udoh's a great defender too.
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To be honest, if the Cavs actually do end up choosing Irving #1 I think the whole Baron Davis trade is going to look mighty stupid on their part, given that their star rookie will either be backup to Baron or they'll bench Baron and his large contract.
So what? They'll bench him who gives a shit what he thinks. If anything Irving could turn out to be 10x better than Davis in his prime. There not gunna risk Irving's development to please an old overpaid unmotivated fatass. Let him collect his paycheck on the bench and back up Irving.
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Baron already benched. Ramon Sessions is their first PG, and he looks fine. All thing was not about Baron, but about another lottery pick, and there is a rumor, they can get another one, Pistons lottery pick. Now they targeting both, Irving and Barnes, thats insane.

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Old 03-22-2011, 01:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Baron already benched. Ramon Sessions is their first PG, and he looks fine. All thing was not about Baron, but about another lottery pick, and there is a rumor, can get another one, Pistons lottery pick. Now they targeting both, Irving and Barnes, thats insane.
i was just thinking the same thing...assuming that they get a top 3 and a late lotto pick 9-14

they can go after Barnes with the top3 pick and go for somebody like a Walker/Fredette/Knight with the late lotto
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So what? They'll bench him who gives a shit what he thinks. If anything Irving could turn out to be 10x better than Davis in his prime. There not gunna risk Irving's development to please an old overpaid unmotivated fatass. Let him collect his paycheck on the bench and back up Irving.
there has never been a player 10x better Davis in his prime. Davis now, sure.
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I'd argue that there have been signs of promise from the majority of those rookies.
That's really all you can ask for at this point.
Here's to hoping that Ed Davis will turn into a beast on the glass .
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Just judging from this year, in terms of their primary roles in the future, I see:


1. Wall- Legit franchise player. Will be considered one of if not the best PGs in the NBA in less than 3 years. 19 and 12 potential.

2. Turner- Solid starter/Very good 6th man. His role will be determined on how much he works on his range and mechanics in the offseasons to come. I dont see star potential though unless its SJAX in CHA type of situation where hes on a bad team.

3. Favors- Solid starter on a below avg to good team, very good 7th man on a contender. He just needs more experience and PT and he'll blossom in to a better more athletic Haslem. Double double guy in a few years.

4. Wesley Johnson- Fringe starter, solid role playing 7th/8th man. I dont ever see him really breaking out in to a 1 2 or 3 option, Usually in a players first year you can see their creativity come out and see that they have a good shot or not at becoming a main option for their team and I just dont see it in Wes. He'll be very useful though with his 3 pt shooting and defence.

5. Cousins- Fringe franchise player. I think he'll go the route of ZBO and be a very very very good player on a really bad team for a few years, but I think his compettitiveness sets him apart from ZBO where I think he'll start making winning decisions much earlier in this career than ZBO did. 20+10 in 2 years.

6. Ekpe Udoh- Solid bench/rotation player- Udoh has a LOOONG way to go to become a legit starter. He needs to develop every facet of his game. Hes a very athletic player who can block and affect shots, but he isnt as smart as an Ibaka where you can see he can still play defence and box out when hes not trying to block a shot. Besides Aminu/Hayward he has the biggest shot of being considered a bust by year 3.

7. Greg Monroe- Solid Starting C. Greg has shown up well since Ben Wallace went down. Hes been consistant on both ends of the floor and has a nice touch around the rim. He'll never be a standout, but hes a guy many teams will want as their starting C once he hits FA even though his ceiling may only be 14+10(which isnt bad at all obviously),

8. Al-Farouq Aminu- Erratic role player. The Clippers may have picked another bust as Aminu hasnt shown a lot this year. Hes had some stretches where hes shot the ball well, but hes been picked on ferociously on D when he should be a much better player at that end. Theres not much special about his game.

9. Gordon Hayward- Bench player. For a kid whos supposed to be a shooter/energy guy, he cant even shoot. Hes athletic, but if you cant spread the floor or play much defence, and you cant create at all, there isnt a lot of minutes available on any team. Hes going to have to work out like Kobe in the offseason to get his game to near where it needs to be.

10. Paul George- Starter. Hes one of the good rookies whos shown flashes of being able to create off the dribble, and his game is silky smooth. He definately has star potential.
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For some players its hard to see what they cna become by just lookin at their rookie seasons. Look at monta ellis, dorrel wright, danny granger etc... rookie seasons, and then look at their current stats. These ppl were players that every one said wouldnt amount to shit and now theyre considered a very great pick up.
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The draft is regressing
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i was just thinking the same thing...assuming that they get a top 3 and a late lotto pick 9-14

they can go after Barnes with the top3 pick and go for somebody like a Walker/Fredette/Knight with the late lotto
or they go after Irving with the top 3 pick and Terrence Jones/Barnes/Perry Jones with the next pick
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:54 PM   #20 (permalink)
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That 'zona kid would look great beside DD.... JJ would still get plenty of run too

Irving is getting overhyped..... he's good, but he's not above and beyond everyone else.
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