Bankiz

juste discussion sur les trade proposées par vos soins même les plus incohérente sont aceptées.

Bankiz

oups !!!

Bankiz

trade 1 :

toronto give weems, Bargnani , barbosa + tpe + miami pick
NYK give : thuriaf + fields + rautins
Minessota give : tolliver + John flynn
orlando give anderson + tpe

MIN gets : Randolph + barbosa + tpe orlando + tpe toronto+ miami pick.
Orlando gets: tolliver + rautins
Nyk gets : Bargnani + weems + anderson + toronto tpe
Toronto gets : fields + thuiaf + curry + johny flynn.

minessota gets randolph like they want, and a solid sg in barbosa, so they upgrade sg position and get a legit backup PF behind beasley.
and some money and one picks for flynn.

Ny gets Bargnani who will fit very weel along Amar'e. and to project with anderson + weems and some money.
they upgrade their frontcourt.

Orlando gets a prospect Center to backup D12 + a young Guard.
so they be satisfied and don't give up many.

Toronto gets a solid Center, and a tremendous prospect pg + a great sg defensive player with fields.

jose/bayless/flynn
fields/DD/bayless
Kleiza/DD/Wright/peja
Amir/davis/dorsey/evans/peja
thuriaf/curry

on peut vraiment reconstruire uen culture defensive et je pense que l'on peut aller à la peche à d'autres pivot(center) pour completer le roster.
curry + peja + evans + wright = 35M expiring

trade 2 :

toronto give peja + TPE + toronto picks 2011
Sacramento give thompson + garcia
Portalnd give : miller + oden + money

portland gets peja + garcia + money toronto + toronto first 2011

sacramento gets miller + tpe toronto

toronto gets oden + thompson

portland gets a sg to compensate ROY miss season and a good SF player with peja (also expiring)

sac gets a good pg with miller, and some money.

toronto gets 2 Center, one inured and expiring, but at least it don't matter if he doin't play.

jose/bayless/flynn
fileds/DD/Bayless
kleiza/DD/wright
amir/davis/dorsey/evans
thuriaf/thompson/oden/curry

trade 3 :

toronto give caldy + oden + alabi + a switch pick in 2012
Phili give iguy + speights
charlotte give wallace + diop + collins

phily gets wallace + diop
charlotte caldy + oden + alabi + pick switch.
toronto gets iguy + speights + colluns


phily gets some value for iguy with a solid SF with some defensuive skill. and a true center with Diop. (what they miss)

charlotte get some value from wallce with caldy and oden + alabi ( not so much value but he is a propect) + a switch pick with toronto in 2012.


toronto gets iguy, and they upgrade the SF spot, and a propect center.
the only one huge contract will be iguy, so i'm not worry about it.
buyout curry and we will be fine for the futur.

also we keep our youn core together (amir, DD, bayless, Davis, dorsey and wright + kleiza) and we add some other : thompson + fields + flynn + speights.
next year attention to Raptors, and jay will be more capable with this roster.
defense will be huge and the run and gun will still there.
an i don't now what more balance and tazlented team.

our second unit : flynn, DD, kleiza/wright, davis/dorsey and speights/thompson
serait dévastatrice pour les 2nd unit adverse.
et notre 5 de départ, même s'il ne fait pas si peur serait bonne :
bayless, flieds, iguy, amir, thuriaf/thompson.

bayless/flynn/collins
fields/DD/iguy
iguy/kleiza/DD/wright
amir/davis/dorsey/evans
thompson/thuriaf/speights

quel est votre avis ?
je ne dis pas qu'il faut tout faire en une fois. mais cette team aurait vraiment une belle gueule, même sans pick en 2011.

Crèpe

Je pense pas que NY lachera Fields (à part pour avoir Melo)
Portland se fait un peu arnaquer en recevant les miettes contre Miller et Oden quand même

Et j'suis pas un grand fan d'Iguodala en franchise player c'est une machine à stats mais il n'a pas les épaules pour être franchise player. En lieutenant d'une grosse star pourquoi pas...
j'trouve que cette équipe manque d'équilibre. Y'a aucun shoot à 3pts ! Et ça me fait penser à Philadelphieun peu... Pas sur que ça marche.
Iguodala et DD sont les même joueurs quasiment, ils vont se marcher sur les pieds...
Et puis ça manque de taille au poste 5 surtout!

Bankiz

pour poréciser, je ne parlais de faire de iguy notre franchise player.
mais avoue que rien que l'avoir au post de SF serait un plus pour cette team comparé à la paire (weems/kleiza).

sur ce voici une autre idée :

trade1 :
toronto give barbosa.
chicago give asik + brewer

chicago gets a better sg player who can fit with rose and co. on pourrait même y ajouter du tpe si necessaire.

toronto obtient un bon prospect pivot et un décent backup sg et qui expire.

trade 2
toronto give : Bargs + weems + calderpn + alabi + 2 pick 2011.
washington give McGee + J Howard +Martin + Blatche.
Philadelphie give iguy + speights + T. Young + tpe

Washington gets : speights + caldy + T.Young + tpe (toronto=1.5M+3M, phli = 850K soit 5.350M tpe) + toronto pick
Ils laissent partir deux fortes tetes. et recoivent 2 prospects avec young et speights et un solide meneur pour diriger derriere Wall et un pick supplémentaire.

phili obtient : Bargnani + weems + martin + blatche + miami pick.
phili avec Bargnani obtient un bon scorer et un peu de taille. et avec blatche ils peuvent former une bonne paire avec brand et deux sg/sf jeunes qui pourront grandir avec evans, jrue ou meecks.

toronto obtient McGee + Iguodala + J Howard.
avec iguy on aura un bon SF pour debuter les matchs au coté de DD.
et avec McGee on aura un bon pivot pour defendre et contester les lay-up.
Howard est un expirant, et de plus il pourra remplacer weems.

on a perdu nos deux picks et Bargnani et nous n'avons plus de meneur apres bayless
mais on peut toujours en recruter un soit en d-league soit en rachetant un contrat en europe.

bayless/????
DD/brewer/howard
iguy/kleiza/wright/peja
Amir/Davis/Dorsey/evans
McGee/asik/alabi

cela n'a pas une si belle gueule que cela, c'est sur, mais la saison prochaine ils seraient un bonne equipe defensive avec 2 ou trois attaquants sur les ailes (bayless, DD et iguy) et de grand defenseur au centre et bon rebondeurs.

En une ou deux saison avec les progres de chaque jeunes on pourrait vraiment faire mal.

il nous reste toujours peja et le reste du TPE pour trouver un bon backup pg et à la fin de la saison réengager Banks au minimum.
Je ne parle pas d'evans expres, car je pense qe même si il ne joue pas, il sera un grand atout dans le vestiaire. juste le réengager avec un contrat inférieur, sinon tampis.

Bankiz

bon, il me semble avoir trouver un trade qui puisse etre juste pour tout le monde !

trade 1:
toronto give Bargnani + weems + alabi + tpe + 2011 miami pick.
chicago give brewer + korver + asik + 1st round 2012 (from charlotte)
phjiladeplhie give iguodala + speights + T.Young + 1st round 2012

philadelphie gets miami pick + Bargnani + brewer + alabi.
chicago gets iguodala + weems + tpe (toronto 5M)
toronto gets asik (C)+ korver(sg) + 2 first 2012 pick (charlotte + Phily) + t.Young (sf) + speights (c).

phily gets a huge center who can score, bargs. One solid sg with brewer, and one propect center. aloso a 2nd round pick.
so they lost iguy, but they get bargnani, this will not change so many their play, and can get a little higher in frontcourt.

chicago gets a really good sg, what they need, and with money from tpe and a prospect as weems, they can be good for contending.

toronto get ride of bargs. but gets 2 center in return, also two prospect in fact. and one good sg 3s shoter (korver) and a SF/PF prospect as young.

trade 2 :
a.
dallas give butler + 2nd round pick 2011+12
toronto give peja + 1st 2012 charlotte

b. Dallas give mahimmi + barea + tpe caroll
toronto give kleiza + dorsey

dallas gets a legit sf 3s shooter, and one solid backup + one first round pick. and with dorsey they get a cheap pf defensive player, who can change the play when dirk isn't there.

toronto gets 2nd round picks for peja, that enough, and we will have butler expiring still to keep us out of the new cba. and with mahimmi and barea whe have another Center defensive, and a solid pg backup.

toronto will looks like this after that :

jose/bayless/barea
DD/korver/barbosa
Young/DD/wright
amir/davis/evans
Asik/speights/mahimmi


you can keep evans, for veteran leadership matter.
that lets us with a current payroll for 2011-2012 season = 10M(caldy) + 2.5M( Bayless) + 0 (barea - expiring) + 2.3M (DD) + 5M (korver) + 7M(Barbosa) + 0M (Young) + 0M(wright)+ 5M (amir) + 2M (Davis) + 0 (Evans) + 3.9M (asik + speights + mahimmi) = 37.7M.

so if the cba will be barely 50M
we still have 12.7M to split between 6M young + minimum evans + 3m barea + 2.5 wright. (=13M)
and also we will have our 2011 first pick + 2011 2rd dallas and our 2012 1st pick + phily first 2012 + our 2nd 2012. so five propescts to come and we will have already bayless, barea, DD, young, wright, amir, davis, asik, speights and mahimmi.
that will make 15 end 2012.

so evans, jose and barbosa will not be maintain in end of 2011-2012 season, and we will be fine with one of the most young team.

we need triano to step up or to go and get a defense mindorient coach.
With that we could be one of the most attractive team to watch. and all this trade will be win-win situation because i'm sure, butler will return to dallas at the end of the season.
dallas keepp all his player, phily get one huge still prospect with barg and chicago get his sg legit starter who can help them to go in finals and win a championship.

Bankiz

i have fun not get anthony to nets :
because some clauses, i do it on two times

a.
Toronto gets curry (11M expiring) + chandler + rautins = 14M
NYk gets anthony + toronto tpe (11M for curry) = 28.7M
denver gets peja + 2 kincks 1st pick (2011+2012) + 2 (toronto+miami 2011) first. =15M + 4first pick

b.
toronto gets harrington + andersen fields
denver gets curry'tpe (for nene-11M) + ED davis + galinarri + mozgov + Alabi + 2nd round pick NYK(2011-2012)
NYK gets nene + jose + weems.

so denver gets : peja (expiring 15 M) +11M TPE + Ed davis + galinari + mozgov + 3first round (3*2011 Toronto+NYK+Miami + 1*2012) + 2 second round (1*2011+1*2013).
they give away harrington, and mix nene in the deal, with who nyk will be happy.so they save some moeny with peja, take 3 nice prospect with galinari, davis and mozgov.
save money, gets 3 nice pieces, gets 4 first round pick, gets some money with the tpe.
all the deal is good for them.

chauncey/lawson
afflalo/smith
galinari/forbes/peja
martin/davis/balkman
morgov/ely/alabi

they can rebuild with (includes their picks) 4 1st round picks this year, 3 second round and two first next year + 2 second. incredible rebuild they can make. with chauncey and peja for teaching them it will be alright.

Nyk gets anthony, nene and jose + weems. nothing to say. that own any picks in the two year to come.

felton/jose
mason/weems
anthony/azubuike
stoudmire/randolph
nene/thuriaf


toronto gets some nice pieces with fileds, chandler and andersen. so harrington contract isn't worth than amir, so i don't matter any more.

nyk give us fields for the two first round picks from this year, and then chandler for the tpe and peja contract in fact.
denver gives us andersen for taking both long term contract with harrington.
that makes that deal balanced more than the den-nj-det deal.

toronto would be like that :
bayless/barbosa/rautins
DD/fields/barbosa
chandler/DD/kleiza/wright
amir/harrington/dorsey
bargs/andersen

Bankiz

rien que parce que cela me fait marrer :

toronto give peja for V. Carter
toronto give barbosa+weems and gets pietrus + gortat

toronto give evans + kleiza + tpe + miami pick and gets casspi + garcia

jose/bayless/garcia
DD/carter/garcia
pietrus/casspi/wright
amir/davis/dorsey
bargs/gortat/dorsey

that can be a playoffs team this year and maybe for the sake, for years to come.
VC can teach DD how to make the same mistake with his franchise, and pietrus will teach casspi how defend.
gortat will be a great asset in backup center for bargs.
et garcia qui sort une bonne année, pourrait donc faire un bon 3eme backup pg/sg et même comme wright a la capacité de defendre 3 position.

Crèpe

L'Echange

Il ne manque pas grand chose à cette équipe pour être vraiment compétitive.
Selon moi, cette équipe a besoin d'un aillier (3) qui puisse marquer 15 points par match REGULIEREMENT, CHAQUE NUIT. Ce qui n'est pas le cas d'un Kleiza, qui puisse défendre et prendre des rebonds (pour combler la faiblesse de Bargnani dans ce secteur.)

C'est pourquoi Jeff Green me semble l'homme idéal !
Après, j'ai fait ce trade à l'arrache
En gros on balance Weems, Reggie et Kleiza contre Jeff Green, Royal Ivey et Mo Pete.

Ce qui nous donne:

Caldy/Bayless/Ivey
DeRozan/Barbosa/Mo Pete
Jeff Green/Wright
Amir/Dorsey
Bargs/Ed Davis

Kuzzy

Don't mean to be harsh, but those are some pretty stupid trade proposals. lol

Crèpe

Yeah but, seriously, who cares ? The trade proposal thread is stupid by nature. So...

Bankiz

i don't consider that as stupid, but just funny.

but i hope one day my trades can be more serious in the sens that it could happen.
but you can't make trade proposal if nobody say to you that is bullshit and why.
especially if you don't explain why you think that is B or dream.

Bankiz

trade1:
Phoenix gets barg + jose + toronto first 2011 + kleiza.
Toronto gets nash + lopez + pietrus.

Phoenix can have a new start without nash, and with a proven barg and a jose in a hot year they can bring back their offensive style.


trade 2:
charlotte gets peja + 10M tpe + miami 2011 + alabi
toronto gets wallace and mohammed
+ 2nd rd 2011

charlotte save 25M just this year + 10 in wallace 2011-12 contract and they get a first pick.

toronto gets a legit sf starter, a good backup Center and a late 2nd rd.

nash/bayless/gaines
DD/barbosa/weems
wallace/pietrus/Wright
amir/davis/dorsey/evans
mohammed/lopez/dorsey

and i think we will be fine ! LOL !!!