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RaptorsFan4Life 05-31-2011 05:01 PM

Valanciunas' Buyout To Be Raised To At Least $3M
 
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The buyout in the contract of Jonas Valanciunas with Lietuvos Rytas will be raised to at least $3 million USD, confirmed agent Sarunas Broga to RealGM.

Valanciunas has widely been projected to become a top-five pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, but a more financially difficult buyout would surely impact his draft status.

During the 2010-11 Euroleague season, Valanciunas averaged 7.7 points and 5.8 rebounds in just over 15 minutes per game.
Valanciunas' Buyout To Be Raised To At Least $3M - RealGM Wiretap
Jonas Valanciunas, Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania), News, Stats, Rumors, Awards - RealGM

jeffb 05-31-2011 05:06 PM

God i really hope we don't pick this toothpick!

Chiggmo 05-31-2011 05:27 PM

So have to pay 3 million after signing him to a large top 5 contract (well not that large) ya no thanks.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-31-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 544036)
So have to pay 3 million after signing him to a large top 5 contract (well not that large) ya no thanks.

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. That would violate the rookie salary scale. That is, unless the rules are changed with the new CBA.

The buyout comes out of the rookie contract. The drafting team doesn't pay a dime more than they're obligated.

For example, for a $4.5 million per year contract, then in year 1 Jonas would keep $1.5 million and send $3 million to Lietuvos Rytas, after that he would get the full amount.

At least, that's how I think it works. If anyone has any better information then by all means enlighten me.

LX 05-31-2011 06:04 PM

That sounds right to me from what I remember. So the question ends up being whether the drafted player will come and lose money, or play in Europe until there is no buyout to worry about.

Snooch 05-31-2011 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 544039)
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. That would violate the rookie salary scale. That is, unless the rules are changed with the new CBA.

The buyout comes out of the rookie contract. The drafting team doesn't pay a dime more than they're obligated.

For example, for a $4.5 million per year contract, then in year 1 Jonas would keep $1.5 million and send $3 million to Lietuvos Rytas, after that he would get the full amount.

At least, that's how I think it works. If anyone has any better information then by all means enlighten me.

I thought that the team can spend up to $500,000 of the buyout on an overseas contract with the rest coming from the player himself, not technically off the contract. At least I know that what the timberwolves could do with Rubio's contract last season.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-31-2011 06:27 PM

Apparently, Lietuvos Rytas isn't interested in forcing Valanciunas to play in Europe next year. They just want a cheque.

In fact, they'd prefer that Jonas didn't play for them next year, since they're in financial trouble and they need the money.

Also, in the event of a lockout Lietuvos Rytas is willing to keep Jonas on the roster until he signs his rookie contract.

I posted this information previously in the Valanciunas thread: http://www.raptorsforum.com/f/f50/dr...tml#post541664

finstock 05-31-2011 07:04 PM

Kanter's knees checked out fine, and Biyombo is more NBA ready. Let somebody else finance a buyout for Jonas's energy and competent free throw shooting.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-31-2011 07:23 PM

Kanter hasn't played in a long time. Also, his game seems to be developing more as a forward than as a center. There are a few teams that have Jonas higher than Kanter on their draft boards.

Biyombo hasn't had the success that Jonas has. He came out of nowhere and doesn't have much of a resume. He might not even be the age he claims to be. His offense is not just raw, but completely undeveloped. I don't think anyone is expecting Biyombo to be picked before Jonas.

Of the three Jonas is more of a known commodity. He has also had the most success in actual competition.

In the end, I guess it all comes down to what you think the direction of the franchise should be. Personally, I think that the Raptors should solve their issues at the center position before any improvement can be seen on defense, or in the standings. Picking any of Jonas, Kanter or Biyombo would be a good start.

Others prioritize other positions first. I think that's a mistake, since good PGs and SFs can be had by trade or free agency. Bargs/Amir/Davis could land us a good starting PG, but I doubt they could land us a good starting center. There just aren't that many, and teams that have an extra one usually prefer to hang on to them.

Chiggmo 05-31-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 544039)
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. That would violate the rookie salary scale. That is, unless the rules are changed with the new CBA.

The buyout comes out of the rookie contract. The drafting team doesn't pay a dime more than they're obligated.

For example, for a $4.5 million per year contract, then in year 1 Jonas would keep $1.5 million and send $3 million to Lietuvos Rytas, after that he would get the full amount.

At least, that's how I think it works. If anyone has any better information then by all means enlighten me.

Oh my mistake then. Thanks :)

finstock 05-31-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 544063)
Kanter hasn't played in a long time. Also, his game seems to be developing more as a forward than as a center. There are a few teams that have Jonas higher than Kanter on their draft boards.

Biyombo hasn't had the success that Jonas has. He came out of nowhere and doesn't have much of a resume. He might not even be the age he claims to be. His offense is not just raw, but completely undeveloped. I don't think anyone is expecting Biyombo to be picked before Jonas.

Of the three Jonas is more of a known commodity. He has also had the most success in actual competition.

In the end, I guess it all comes down to what you think the direction of the franchise should be. Personally, I think that the Raptors should solve their issues at the center position before any improvement can be seen on defense, or in the standings. Picking any of Jonas, Kanter or Biyombo would be a good start.

Others prioritize other positions first. I think that's a mistake, since good PGs and SFs can be had by trade or free agency. Bargs/Amir/Davis could land us a good starting PG, but I doubt they could land us a good starting center. There just aren't that many, and teams that have an extra one usually prefer to hang on to them.

Fair enough. But Jonas is a gamble in his own right. Kanter has offensive upside, and Biyombo has defensive upside. Jonas's potential on either end doesn't match Kanter's or Biyombo's.

And from what I've seen, Biyombo isn't hopeless on O. I've seen him knock down the odd jimmy and put the ball on the deck with either hand and finish strong with either hand. Most downplay his offense just because he's compared to Big Ben. And yes, some expect him to go before Jonas.

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His shot blocking and rebounding prowess are a skill-set that has been woefully lacked by the Raptors for years and from that standpoint, Biyombo would be able to contribute immediately. He is pure and raw potential, or in other words- pure risk, but in a draft that holds no certainties, that risk is minimized.
SLAM ONLINE | Mock: Bismack Biyombo, No. 5

LX 05-31-2011 09:22 PM

that biyombo write-up sounds a lot like what Colangelo was saying about the upside to dropping to 5. Maybe that's what he had in mind all along?

jeffb 05-31-2011 09:34 PM

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pure risk, but in a draft that holds no certainties, that risk is minimized.

See this i hate. Pure risk, but it's a weaker draft so what can you do.......that is until we pick him at #5, Walker is then picked @ #6 and becomes a much better player and everyone then forgets all that and bitches that we should have taken Walker or player X who went #8 and became an all-star, and BC is then called a hack....again. This is the type of draft where someone turns out to be a better player who is picked #10 or lower then a player in the top 7-8 and everyone starts second guess ala 2006.

js12 05-31-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 544107)
See this i hate. Pure risk, but it's a weaker draft so what can you do.......that is until we pick him at #5, Walker is then picked @ #6 and becomes a much better player and everyone then forgets all that and bitches that we should have taken Walker or player X who went #8 and became an all-star, and BC is then called a hack....again. This is the type of draft where someone turns out to be a better player who is picked #10 or lower then a player in the top 7-8 and everyone starts second guess ala 2006.

Well said. I've always said BC made the right pick for Bargnani at the time of the draft even though I'm not currently a fan of him.

RaptorsFan4Life 05-31-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DraftExpress
Valanciunas report from Lithuania is inaccurate. There is no set buyout amount yet. Negotiations ongoing. Both parties still holding firm.
about 6 hours ago via Seesmic Desktop

Twitter / Jonathan Givony: Valanciunas report from Li ...

'trane 06-01-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oneironaught (Post 544066)
Fair enough. But Jonas is a gamble in his own right. Kanter has offensive upside, and Biyombo has defensive upside. Jonas's potential on either end doesn't match Kanter's or Biyombo's.

And from what I've seen, Biyombo isn't hopeless on O. I've seen him knock down the odd jimmy and put the ball on the deck with either hand and finish strong with either hand. Most downplay his offense just because he's compared to Big Ben. And yes, some expect him to go before Jonas.



SLAM ONLINE | Mock: Bismack Biyombo, No. 5

i'm on the biyombo train for exactly the reasons in that article. he's the only guy in the range of possible raps picks that really wows me when i watch him play (in the limited viewings we've had of him). if he can translate that defence to the nba he's exactly what we are desperate for. it's a big if, but it's a game-changer for us if it pans out.

Superjudge 06-01-2011 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 544063)
There are a few teams that have Jonas higher than Kanter on their draft boards.


Really??

You've been looking at all the teams secret draft notes have ya??

Love it.... just LOVE it.

Chiggmo 06-01-2011 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 544209)
Really??

You've been looking at all the teams secret draft notes have ya??

Love it.... just LOVE it.

I look at them all all the time, don't you? I have copies of each if you need!

EggsToTheBBQ 06-01-2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 544209)
Really??

You've been looking at all the teams secret draft notes have ya??

Love it.... just LOVE it.


I'm just repeating what I read, same as everyone else.

If we weren't then these forums would be empty.

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If his buyout situation will be resolved in a timely fashion, look for Valanciunas to be drafted somewhere between Nos. 3 and 8 overall. He's ahead of Enes Kanter on both Cleveland and Toronto's boards according to reports and has huge fans in Detroit's front office as well.
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