SI: NBA scouts offer opinions on college prospects

Windex · 02-14-2011, 07:49 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ml?eref=sircrc

pzabby · 02-14-2011, 08:41 PM

i like his take on irving:

Do I have any reservations if he doesn't play this year? Not even a little bit. He's that good. He'll still be a top three pick if he comes out. This is a point guards' league, it's not a centers' league anymore. He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, so he'll never be electric like John Wall or Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul is not electric in that way either.

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN · 02-14-2011, 10:06 PM

Just to make it easier to read. The top 5 college players

Irving

Quote:

Do I have any reservations if he doesn't play this year? Not even a little bit. He's that good. He'll still be a top three pick if he comes out. This is a point guards' league, it's not a centers' league anymore. He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, so he'll never be electric like John Wall or Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul is not electric in that way either.

Barnes

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I finally figured him out. People have been trying to say he's Marvin Williams, but I think he's Sean Elliott. He's not a star, but he's an all-around good player. If you're expecting a franchise player, you're going to be sadly mistaken, but he can definitely help. If he came out, I'm not sure he'd be a top-five pick, but if he slipped to eight or nine people would come up with reasons why they should take him instead of why they shouldn't.

Jones(perry)

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He's the most talented kid in the class, but I don't think he's a franchise player. He doesn't have the personality for that. He's more of a blend player. He reminds me of Tim Thomas. He gets you 22 and 11, but you want him to get 36 and 17. If a team has a point guard and wants to pass on Kyrie Irving, I could see him going No. 1. He's so stinking fast it's amazing. You talk to the coaches, they say he wins all the sprints in practice against the guards. One thing you have to wonder about is he never won, not in high school, not in AAU.

Sullinger

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I love him. He's like Elton Brand but he's a better basketball player. If he's not No. 1, he's not lasting past the top three. He'll get his shot blocked just like Kevin Love did, but his shooting percentage already accounts for that. He's comfortable with both hands and he makes free throws. He just has a great feel for the game, and you can tell winning is important to him. My concern is that he doesn't have a lot of upside, he's a finished product. And he's not a great athlete, so he has a ceiling.

Jones(Terrence)

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He's a lottery pick. He scores inside and in transition. His shot is low, but if he takes his time he can make shots. He needs to be a little less selfish with the basketball, but he's a talented kid. He's a poor man's Michael Beasley. I'm not sure I trust his shot yet, but man, he competes. People ask, What position is he? I say he's a basketball player.

Shifty.py · 02-15-2011, 07:53 AM

Uhh, Barnes comparison is third rate utulity player, Terrence is like Beasley and Perry is Tim Thomas.
Not most favorable comparisons.

Kyrie compared to Chris Paul? I very much doubt it.

Scully · 02-15-2011, 10:47 AM

Are you calling Sean Elliot a 3rd rate utility player?

carp · 02-15-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scully

Are you calling Sean Elliot a 3rd rate utility player?

Guy never watched the spurs back then... Elliot is like a Richard Jefferson. Not all 5 starters can be number one options.

**'trane** · 02-15-2011, 11:13 AM

he was so, so much better than richard jefferson.

carp · 02-15-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane

he was so, so much better than richard jefferson.

I agree... but in terms of being a third star, he was rarely more than that on those spurs teams. I may have only caught the latter end of his game, but I do appreciate how good he was.

**'trane** · 02-15-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by carp

I agree... but in terms of being a third star, he was rarely more than that on those spurs teams. I may have only caught the latter end of his game, but I do appreciate how good he was.

elliott was a 15-20 ppg scorer for the spurs in the mid-90's. he was the second option (unless you want to count avery johnson or vinnie del negro, both of whom i would consider a stretch).

jefferson is barely even a 4th option behind manu, timmy and parker. most nights either blair or hill, and sometimes even mcdyess or neal, get more touches. last year he was 5th in scoring on the team, and this year is 4th at 12 ppg, slightly up from last year. in the playoffs he dropped from 12.3 to 9.4 ppg when the real stars started to pick things up. in the same playoffs hill increased his ppg by a full ppg. and he was the 4th option.

i just don't see the comparison at all.

**Acie** · 02-15-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane

elliott was a 15-20 ppg scorer for the spurs in the mid-90's. he was the second option (unless you want to count avery johnson or vinnie del negro, both of whom i would consider a stretch).

jefferson is barely even a 4th option behind manu, timmy and parker. most nights either blair or hill, and sometimes even mcdyess or neal, get more touches. last year he was 5th in scoring on the team, and this year is 4th at 12 ppg, slightly up from last year. in the playoffs he dropped from 12.3 to 9.4 ppg when the real stars started to pick things up. in the same playoffs hill increased his ppg by a full ppg. and he was the 4th option.

i just don't see the comparison at all.

They both played at Arizona...

**'trane** · 02-15-2011, 01:23 PM

unless jefferson has to retire due to kidney problems, the spurs-zona connection is all that there is.

carp · 02-15-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane

unless jefferson has to retire due to kidney problems, the spurs-zona connection is all that there is.

except that you give zero credit to Jefferson in NJ... but sure... I'm ok seeing something that might not be there.

Shifty.py · 02-16-2011, 02:51 AM

sorry guys my bad, somewhy I thought of different player. My NBA memory doesn't back to Sean Elliot times

Still, we have guys for that role

DonMughal · 02-16-2011, 06:31 PM

Just reading those reviews makes me so dissapointed. Not a lot of praise for top 5 picks. Draft is soo weak, no real game changers at all.

moremilk · 02-17-2011, 12:44 AM

wow, a poor's man beasley ... that's pretty depressing given that the real beasley got traded for scraps this summer

Pretty much like saying that a center is a poor man's Bargnani when it comes to rebounding.

eazy187 · 02-18-2011, 10:57 PM

poor man's beasley > weems

Don Vito · 02-20-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eazy187

poor man's beasley > weems

If were talking long-term then it shouldn't be either. I have no faith in Jones, he will be a bust.

EggsToTheBBQ · 02-21-2011, 03:18 PM

Cleveland is definitely drafting Irving. Unless Toronto picks above Cleveland, there is no way we're getting Irving. Sorry guys, we'll have to settle for getting Myck Kabongo in 2012.

I think Minnesota will take Sullinger given a chance. A front line of Love/Sullinger/Beasley would be a really good foundation to build on. He's a safe pick and a good fit. It's not hard to justify picking Sullinger at #2.

Sacramento needs help in the back court more than front. I think the best fit for their roster would be Barnes, if the coaching staff were to develop him as a 2/3. Though, I think they'll take Perry Jones based on hype. Perry Jones has too much hype to slip any further than the #3 pick, IMO.

At the #4 pick (where Toronto currently resides) that leaves Terrence Jones and probably Harrison Barnes (maybe Perry Jones) from the top five prospects. I think any of those guys would be a good pick, though I'm more intrigued by Terrence Jones because he's a top competitor in a top program, and he has an all around game and a big frame.

HOWEVER - my crystal ball says that the Raptors finish strong and overtake Washington and New Jersey.

Washington would take Perry Jones at #4 if he were available, though I think they'll take Terrence Jones (because I don't think Perry will slip).

New jersey will probably take whoever's left out of Perry/Terrence/Harrison at #5 (my bet is Harrison Barnes).

If Toronto picks after Washington and New Jersey, all of the top SF prospects will be gone. At this point, what does BC do? I think he takes Kanter or Valanciunas. Kanter or Valanciunas would be brought along as the second big off the bench to begin with, but if and when they start to break out, whoever of the other bigs is underperforming will be dealt (hopefully Andrea - that means that BC will be drafting Andrea's replacement

).

Out of Kanter or Valanciunas, I think BC will go with Valanciunas. Jonas' rate of development over the last couple of years has been exceptional. He seems to have an excellent work ethic. He dominates his age group, and is a solid contributor in the Euroleague. Also, he has a clean bill of health, and seems likely to fill out even more. He has a really good frame that can support the extra weight. From what I've seen (not much, but not just highlights, some live game action too) Valanciunas is a scrapper. He has an excellent motor, really battles for rebounds, and has a nice touch around the rim. He'll need to develop a short to mid range jumper, and from his skill level I think he's likely to do so.

In short: get the welcome mat out for Jonas Valanciunas Raptor fans!

eazy187 · 02-25-2011, 05:23 PM

Derrick Williams is probably gonna be taken in the top 5.

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EggsToTheBBQ is useless Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,146 Representing:	Cleveland is definitely drafting Irving. Unless Toronto picks above Cleveland, there is no way we're getting Irving. Sorry guys, we'll have to settle for getting Myck Kabongo in 2012. I think Minnesota will take Sullinger given a chance. A front line of Love/Sullinger/Beasley would be a really good foundation to build on. He's a safe pick and a good fit. It's not hard to justify picking Sullinger at #2. Sacramento needs help in the back court more than front. I think the best fit for their roster would be Barnes, if the coaching staff were to develop him as a 2/3. Though, I think they'll take Perry Jones based on hype. Perry Jones has too much hype to slip any further than the #3 pick, IMO. At the #4 pick (where Toronto currently resides) that leaves Terrence Jones and probably Harrison Barnes (maybe Perry Jones) from the top five prospects. I think any of those guys would be a good pick, though I'm more intrigued by Terrence Jones because he's a top competitor in a top program, and he has an all around game and a big frame. HOWEVER - my crystal ball says that the Raptors finish strong and overtake Washington and New Jersey. Washington would take Perry Jones at #4 if he were available, though I think they'll take Terrence Jones (because I don't think Perry will slip). New jersey will probably take whoever's left out of Perry/Terrence/Harrison at #5 (my bet is Harrison Barnes). If Toronto picks after Washington and New Jersey, all of the top SF prospects will be gone. At this point, what does BC do? I think he takes Kanter or Valanciunas. Kanter or Valanciunas would be brought along as the second big off the bench to begin with, but if and when they start to break out, whoever of the other bigs is underperforming will be dealt (hopefully Andrea - that means that BC will be drafting Andrea's replacement ). Out of Kanter or Valanciunas, I think BC will go with Valanciunas. Jonas' rate of development over the last couple of years has been exceptional. He seems to have an excellent work ethic. He dominates his age group, and is a solid contributor in the Euroleague. Also, he has a clean bill of health, and seems likely to fill out even more. He has a really good frame that can support the extra weight. From what I've seen (not much, but not just highlights, some live game action too) Valanciunas is a scrapper. He has an excellent motor, really battles for rebounds, and has a nice touch around the rim. He'll need to develop a short to mid range jumper, and from his skill level I think he's likely to do so. In short: get the welcome mat out for Jonas Valanciunas Raptor fans! Last edited by EggsToTheBBQ; 02-21-2011 at 03:44 PM.

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02-14-2011, 08:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
pzabby is COYS! gotta get meself into lawschool after 3 years of undergrad Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 5,471 Representing:	i like his take on irving: Do I have any reservations if he doesn't play this year? Not even a little bit. He's that good. He'll still be a top three pick if he comes out. This is a point guards' league, it's not a centers' league anymore. He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, so he'll never be electric like John Wall or Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul is not electric in that way either.

02-15-2011, 07:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shifty.py is eyeing playoffs FTMFW Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,227 Representing:	Uhh, Barnes comparison is third rate utulity player, Terrence is like Beasley and Perry is Tim Thomas. Not most favorable comparisons. Kyrie compared to Chris Paul? I very much doubt it.

02-15-2011, 10:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
Scully is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 866 Representing:	Are you calling Sean Elliot a 3rd rate utility player?

02-15-2011, 11:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
'trane is drug dealers are untrustworthy giant steps Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,274 Representing:	he was so, so much better than richard jefferson.

02-15-2011, 01:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
'trane is drug dealers are untrustworthy giant steps Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,274 Representing:	unless jefferson has to retire due to kidney problems, the spurs-zona connection is all that there is.

02-16-2011, 02:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
Shifty.py is eyeing playoffs FTMFW Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,227 Representing:	sorry guys my bad, somewhy I thought of different player. My NBA memory doesn't back to Sean Elliot times Still, we have guys for that role

02-16-2011, 06:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
DonMughal is the boss Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Mississauga Posts: 2,978 Representing:	Just reading those reviews makes me so dissapointed. Not a lot of praise for top 5 picks. Draft is soo weak, no real game changers at all.

02-17-2011, 12:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 7,102 Representing:	wow, a poor's man beasley ... that's pretty depressing given that the real beasley got traded for scraps this summer Pretty much like saying that a center is a poor man's Bargnani when it comes to rebounding.

02-18-2011, 10:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
eazy187 is better than you Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 873 Representing:	poor man's beasley > weems

02-25-2011, 05:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
eazy187 is better than you Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 873 Representing:	Derrick Williams is probably gonna be taken in the top 5.