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Windex 02-14-2011 07:49 PM

SI: NBA scouts offer opinions on college prospects
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ml?eref=sircrc

pzabby 02-14-2011 08:41 PM

i like his take on irving:


Do I have any reservations if he doesn't play this year? Not even a little bit. He's that good. He'll still be a top three pick if he comes out. This is a point guards' league, it's not a centers' league anymore. He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, so he'll never be electric like John Wall or Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul is not electric in that way either.

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 02-14-2011 10:06 PM

Just to make it easier to read. The top 5 college players

Irving
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Do I have any reservations if he doesn't play this year? Not even a little bit. He's that good. He'll still be a top three pick if he comes out. This is a point guards' league, it's not a centers' league anymore. He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, so he'll never be electric like John Wall or Derrick Rose, but Chris Paul is not electric in that way either.
Barnes
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I finally figured him out. People have been trying to say he's Marvin Williams, but I think he's Sean Elliott. He's not a star, but he's an all-around good player. If you're expecting a franchise player, you're going to be sadly mistaken, but he can definitely help. If he came out, I'm not sure he'd be a top-five pick, but if he slipped to eight or nine people would come up with reasons why they should take him instead of why they shouldn't.
Jones(perry)
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He's the most talented kid in the class, but I don't think he's a franchise player. He doesn't have the personality for that. He's more of a blend player. He reminds me of Tim Thomas. He gets you 22 and 11, but you want him to get 36 and 17. If a team has a point guard and wants to pass on Kyrie Irving, I could see him going No. 1. He's so stinking fast it's amazing. You talk to the coaches, they say he wins all the sprints in practice against the guards. One thing you have to wonder about is he never won, not in high school, not in AAU.

Sullinger
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I love him. He's like Elton Brand but he's a better basketball player. If he's not No. 1, he's not lasting past the top three. He'll get his shot blocked just like Kevin Love did, but his shooting percentage already accounts for that. He's comfortable with both hands and he makes free throws. He just has a great feel for the game, and you can tell winning is important to him. My concern is that he doesn't have a lot of upside, he's a finished product. And he's not a great athlete, so he has a ceiling.

Jones(Terrence)
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He's a lottery pick. He scores inside and in transition. His shot is low, but if he takes his time he can make shots. He needs to be a little less selfish with the basketball, but he's a talented kid. He's a poor man's Michael Beasley. I'm not sure I trust his shot yet, but man, he competes. People ask, What position is he? I say he's a basketball player.

Shifty.py 02-15-2011 07:53 AM

Uhh, Barnes comparison is third rate utulity player, Terrence is like Beasley and Perry is Tim Thomas.
Not most favorable comparisons.

Kyrie compared to Chris Paul? I very much doubt it.

Scully 02-15-2011 10:47 AM

Are you calling Sean Elliot a 3rd rate utility player?

carp 02-15-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scully (Post 508498)
Are you calling Sean Elliot a 3rd rate utility player?

Guy never watched the spurs back then... Elliot is like a Richard Jefferson. Not all 5 starters can be number one options.

'trane 02-15-2011 11:13 AM

he was so, so much better than richard jefferson.

carp 02-15-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 508504)
he was so, so much better than richard jefferson.

I agree... but in terms of being a third star, he was rarely more than that on those spurs teams. I may have only caught the latter end of his game, but I do appreciate how good he was.

'trane 02-15-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 508505)
I agree... but in terms of being a third star, he was rarely more than that on those spurs teams. I may have only caught the latter end of his game, but I do appreciate how good he was.

elliott was a 15-20 ppg scorer for the spurs in the mid-90's. he was the second option (unless you want to count avery johnson or vinnie del negro, both of whom i would consider a stretch).

jefferson is barely even a 4th option behind manu, timmy and parker. most nights either blair or hill, and sometimes even mcdyess or neal, get more touches. last year he was 5th in scoring on the team, and this year is 4th at 12 ppg, slightly up from last year. in the playoffs he dropped from 12.3 to 9.4 ppg when the real stars started to pick things up. in the same playoffs hill increased his ppg by a full ppg. and he was the 4th option.

i just don't see the comparison at all.

Acie 02-15-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 508534)
elliott was a 15-20 ppg scorer for the spurs in the mid-90's. he was the second option (unless you want to count avery johnson or vinnie del negro, both of whom i would consider a stretch).

jefferson is barely even a 4th option behind manu, timmy and parker. most nights either blair or hill, and sometimes even mcdyess or neal, get more touches. last year he was 5th in scoring on the team, and this year is 4th at 12 ppg, slightly up from last year. in the playoffs he dropped from 12.3 to 9.4 ppg when the real stars started to pick things up. in the same playoffs hill increased his ppg by a full ppg. and he was the 4th option.

i just don't see the comparison at all.

They both played at Arizona... :dancing:

'trane 02-15-2011 01:23 PM

unless jefferson has to retire due to kidney problems, the spurs-zona connection is all that there is.

carp 02-15-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 508538)
unless jefferson has to retire due to kidney problems, the spurs-zona connection is all that there is.

except that you give zero credit to Jefferson in NJ... but sure... I'm ok seeing something that might not be there.

Shifty.py 02-16-2011 02:51 AM

sorry guys my bad, somewhy I thought of different player. My NBA memory doesn't back to Sean Elliot times :)

Still, we have guys for that role

DonMughal 02-16-2011 06:31 PM

Just reading those reviews makes me so dissapointed. Not a lot of praise for top 5 picks. Draft is soo weak, no real game changers at all.

moremilk 02-17-2011 12:44 AM

wow, a poor's man beasley ... that's pretty depressing given that the real beasley got traded for scraps this summer :) Pretty much like saying that a center is a poor man's bargnani when it comes to rebounding.

eazy187 02-18-2011 10:57 PM

poor man's beasley > weems

Don Vito 02-20-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eazy187 (Post 510549)
poor man's beasley > weems

If were talking long-term then it shouldn't be either. I have no faith in Jones, he will be a bust.

EggsToTheBBQ 02-21-2011 03:18 PM

Cleveland is definitely drafting Irving. Unless Toronto picks above Cleveland, there is no way we're getting Irving. Sorry guys, we'll have to settle for getting Myck Kabongo in 2012. :)

I think Minnesota will take Sullinger given a chance. A front line of Love/Sullinger/Beasley would be a really good foundation to build on. He's a safe pick and a good fit. It's not hard to justify picking Sullinger at #2.

Sacramento needs help in the back court more than front. I think the best fit for their roster would be Barnes, if the coaching staff were to develop him as a 2/3. Though, I think they'll take Perry Jones based on hype. Perry Jones has too much hype to slip any further than the #3 pick, IMO.

At the #4 pick (where Toronto currently resides) that leaves Terrence Jones and probably Harrison Barnes (maybe Perry Jones) from the top five prospects. I think any of those guys would be a good pick, though I'm more intrigued by Terrence Jones because he's a top competitor in a top program, and he has an all around game and a big frame.

HOWEVER - my crystal ball says that the Raptors finish strong and overtake Washington and New Jersey.

Washington would take Perry Jones at #4 if he were available, though I think they'll take Terrence Jones (because I don't think Perry will slip).

New Jersey will probably take whoever's left out of Perry/Terrence/Harrison at #5 (my bet is Harrison Barnes).

If Toronto picks after Washington and New Jersey, all of the top SF prospects will be gone. At this point, what does BC do? I think he takes Kanter or Valanciunas. Kanter or Valanciunas would be brought along as the second big off the bench to begin with, but if and when they start to break out, whoever of the other bigs is underperforming will be dealt (hopefully Andrea - that means that BC will be drafting Andrea's replacement :) ).

Out of Kanter or Valanciunas, I think BC will go with Valanciunas. Jonas' rate of development over the last couple of years has been exceptional. He seems to have an excellent work ethic. He dominates his age group, and is a solid contributor in the Euroleague. Also, he has a clean bill of health, and seems likely to fill out even more. He has a really good frame that can support the extra weight. From what I've seen (not much, but not just highlights, some live game action too) Valanciunas is a scrapper. He has an excellent motor, really battles for rebounds, and has a nice touch around the rim. He'll need to develop a short to mid range jumper, and from his skill level I think he's likely to do so.

In short: get the welcome mat out for Jonas Valanciunas Raptor fans!

eazy187 02-25-2011 05:23 PM

Derrick Williams is probably gonna be taken in the top 5.


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