Raptors frontrunner for #2 pick?

Ammo · 06-06-2011, 10:40 PM

As mentioned a few times, no one said that Toronto is actually offering DeRozan to move up to the 2nd pick.

I think it would be a good idea to look at both redundancy (PF, SF, PG) and assets (#5, TPE, Barbosa expiring).

So....I'd expect the #5 to be in play, TPE, Barbosa, Calderon (especially dealing with Minny) and Amir (sorry).

If I'm Minny, and you want #2, I'd ask for Amir and #5, just to start. Once you add in Calderon, you have to take back a crappy contract.

jeffb · 06-06-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammo

As mentioned a few times, no one said that Toronto is actually offering DeRozan to move up to the 2nd pick.

I think it would be a good idea to look at both redundancy (PF, SF, PG) and assets (#5, TPE, Barbosa expiring).

So....I'd expect the #5 to be in play, TPE, Barbosa, Calderon (especially dealing with Minny) and Amir (sorry).

If I'm Minny, and you want #2, I'd ask for Amir and #5, just to start. Once you add in Calderon, you have to take back a crappy contract.

Thing is, to move up 3 spots in a weak draft shouldn't take Derozan to do it imo. Well unless it's a big deal and we get another significant piece in the deal.

Ammo · 06-06-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Thing is, to move up 3 spots in a weak draft shouldn't take Derozan to do it imo. Well unless it's a big deal and we get another significant piece in the deal.

Yeah, it would be really be tough because you are trying to build a team here now, you have a young, inexpensive player coming into his own, and he's out the door?
Exactly how many other guys on this roster would surely be a starter on 75% of the teams out there other than Demar?

fk24 · 06-06-2011, 11:50 PM

I don't really want Derrick Williams on this team. He thinks he's a 3 but he doesn't have the lateral quicks to stay in front of 3's and his handles are really inadequate for an NBA 3. I don't see him breaking down his man off the dribble or starting and running pick and rolls at the NBA level. He's definitely not a 3 at the NBA level, or not an adequate one at best.

EggsToTheBBQ · 06-06-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammo

As mentioned a few times, no one said that Toronto is actually offering DeRozan to move up to the 2nd pick.

I think it would be a good idea to look at both redundancy (PF, SF, PG) and assets (#5, TPE, Barbosa expiring).

So....I'd expect the #5 to be in play, TPE, Barbosa, Calderon (especially dealing with Minny) and Amir (sorry).

If I'm Minny, and you want #2, I'd ask for Amir and #5, just to start. Once you add in Calderon, you have to take back a crappy contract.

Minny's highest paid player makes less than $5 million per season.

Pretty much any deal involving Calderon or Barbosa is very tough to see happening, because their salaries are so much higher than anything Minny has to send back.

Minnesota doesn't have any "crappy contracts" - so they don't have any way to make the deal work, without giving up players that play important roles on their team.

Forget about the strategy of trading and absorbing bad contracts in deals with Minnesota. Forget about the TPE. It's not going to work. They're not interested. They have no way to make those deals work.

They want good, cheap young players and that's what it'll take to get the #2 pick.

... and Amir is the third string big putting up mediocre numbers on the weakest front court in the NBA. In Minnesota he would be redundant and play behind Love. I really don't see why Minnesota would be interested in Amir, and I don't see why they would value him so highly.

RaptorsFan4Life · 06-07-2011, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

He didn't say that would be the deal, that was the fan suggesting that. Not sure what the deal would be but i can't see us trading Derozan for Williams and essentially the #5 pick for Flynn. Makes little sense imo. All it would do is strengthen us at the 3 while weakening us at the 2. It's at best a lateral move. Now if we can do an Amir/#5 for #2/Flynn i'd do it.

HELL NO. Flynn hasn't proven anything and Amir has been making amazing strides. There is no way in hell even with the #2 pick on the table I'd trade Amir and #5 pick for Flynn and #2 pick.

Chiggmo · 06-07-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fk24

I don't really want Derrick Williams on this team. He thinks he's a 3 but he doesn't have the lateral quicks to stay in front of 3's and his handles are really inadequate for an NBA 3. I don't see him breaking down his man off the dribble or starting and running pick and rolls at the NBA level. He's definitely not a 3 at the NBA level, or not an adequate one at best.

I'd rather we take Kanter with the #2 anyway, or Irving if Williams is taken at #1.

10gizzle · 06-07-2011, 03:09 AM

Amir plays his ass of every night.

More than you can say for a lot of other guys. I'd rather have him put up 8 and 8 games but busting his ass off every play than get numbers and coast. Lots of teams would love to have like him off the bench. Dallas could sure as hell use him right now...

fk24 · 06-07-2011, 03:23 AM

Whoever holds the #2 pick in this draft, will be the loser of this draft.

Looking more and more like the Derrick Rose draft.

DonMughal · 06-07-2011, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fk24

Whoever holds the #2 pick in this draft, will be the loser of this draft.

Looking more and more like the Derrick Rose draft.

What do you mean? That draft came out with plenty of great players, even with the 2nd pick. This draft won't even come close to that one I would think.

Rose
Beasley
Mayo
Westbrook
Love
Gallinari
Gordon
B. Lopez
Hibbert
Mcgee
Ibaka
Batum
Ge. Hill
Mbah a Moute

If this draft even becomes close to that, I'll be shocked.

fk24 · 06-07-2011, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal

What do you mean? That draft came out with plenty of great players, even with the 2nd pick. This draft won't even come close to that one I would think.

Rose
Beasley
Mayo
Westbrook
Love
Gallinari
Gordon
B. Lopez
Hibbert
Mcgee
Ibaka
Batum
Ge. Hill
Mbah a Moute

If this draft even becomes close to that, I'll be shocked.

Take a look at the picks from 4-8.

All ended up being better than Beasley, who was picked at #2. Beasley was regarded as having star potential and guaranteed 1-2 draft pick. Miami were the real losers of that draft.

DonMughal · 06-07-2011, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fk24

Take a look at the picks from 4-8.

All ended up being better than Beasley, who was picked at #2. Beasley was regarded as having star potential and guaranteed 1-2 draft pick. Miami were the real losers of that draft.

If we end up with a Beasley player, I'll be more than satisfied. He had a huge breakout year, sure on a losing team, but I bet plenty of teams would want him now. Beasley still does have all-star potential. He's only played 3 seasons. Real losers were Bucks and Bobcats.

NaturallyStoned · 06-07-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Thing is, to move up 3 spots in a weak draft shouldn't take Derozan to do it imo. Well unless it's a big deal and we get another significant piece in the deal.

Weak draft it may be, but when the difference in talent between the 2nd and 5th picks is so big, it just might.

Chiggmo · 06-07-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NaturallyStoned

Weak draft it may be, but when the difference in talent between the 2nd and 5th picks is so big, it just might.

I disagree, to move up a few spots in this draft even to #1 isn't worth Derozan, at least givin how much of a lateral move it would be for the team. It just doesn't help anything, just fills one whole while creating another.

EggsToTheBBQ · 06-07-2011, 11:12 AM

The DeRozan rumor sounds to me like it was created by a TWolves fan.

It makes absolutely no sense for the Raptors. If he gets traded, then he would need to be replaced. The TWolves can't offer a replacement, and neither can the #2 pick, nor the #5.

It's like a lot of the proposals in this thread where people list the potential depth chart for the Raptors but fail to consider the Timberwolves' depth chart after the deal (which would include 3 starting point guards and no center.)

fk24 · 06-07-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal

If we end up with a Beasley player, I'll be more than satisfied. He had a huge breakout year, sure on a losing team, but I bet plenty of teams would want him now. Beasley still does have all-star potential. He's only played 3 seasons. Real losers were Bucks and Bobcats.

Beasley sucks. He's an inefficient scorer who takes a ton of shots. He's like Bargnani at the 4 position.

jeffb · 06-07-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fk24

Beasley sucks. He's an inefficient scorer who takes a ton of shots. He's like Bargnani at the 4 position.

He shot 45FG% including 37 3PT% last season. I find that to be decent. Now 19ppg on 17 shots isn't great i'll give you that, but he's also only 22yrs old.

fk24 · 06-07-2011, 12:09 PM

What else does he offer to a basketball team other than scoring?

DDUnreal · 06-07-2011, 04:40 PM

I don't know why we want to trade our young players for more young players who are just as unproven & it can be argued Derozan has as much upside as anyone in we could get from #2

Superjudge · 06-07-2011, 05:06 PM

Well one reason would be if he told you he planned to leave.

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06-06-2011, 10:40 PM	#41 (permalink)
Ammo is T. Ross IS The Phantom Menace. Lackey Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Mighty North Tundra Posts: 2,789 Representing:	As mentioned a few times, no one said that Toronto is actually offering DeRozan to move up to the 2nd pick. I think it would be a good idea to look at both redundancy (PF, SF, PG) and assets (#5, TPE, Barbosa expiring). So....I'd expect the #5 to be in play, TPE, Barbosa, Calderon (especially dealing with Minny) and Amir (sorry). If I'm Minny, and you want #2, I'd ask for Amir and #5, just to start. Once you add in Calderon, you have to take back a crappy contract.

06-06-2011, 11:50 PM	#44 (permalink)
fk24 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,287 Representing:	I don't really want Derrick Williams on this team. He thinks he's a 3 but he doesn't have the lateral quicks to stay in front of 3's and his handles are really inadequate for an NBA 3. I don't see him breaking down his man off the dribble or starting and running pick and rolls at the NBA level. He's definitely not a 3 at the NBA level, or not an adequate one at best.

06-07-2011, 03:09 AM	#48 (permalink)
10gizzle is born like this, into this. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,887 Representing:	Amir plays his ass of every night. More than you can say for a lot of other guys. I'd rather have him put up 8 and 8 games but busting his ass off every play than get numbers and coast. Lots of teams would love to have like him off the bench. Dallas could sure as hell use him right now...

06-07-2011, 03:23 AM	#49 (permalink)
fk24 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,287 Representing:	Whoever holds the #2 pick in this draft, will be the loser of this draft. Looking more and more like the Derrick Rose draft.

06-07-2011, 11:12 AM	#55 (permalink)
EggsToTheBBQ is useless Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,132 Representing:	The DeRozan rumor sounds to me like it was created by a TWolves fan. It makes absolutely no sense for the Raptors. If he gets traded, then he would need to be replaced. The TWolves can't offer a replacement, and neither can the #2 pick, nor the #5. It's like a lot of the proposals in this thread where people list the potential depth chart for the Raptors but fail to consider the Timberwolves' depth chart after the deal (which would include 3 starting point guards and no center.)

06-07-2011, 12:09 PM	#58 (permalink)
fk24 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,287 Representing:	What else does he offer to a basketball team other than scoring?

06-07-2011, 04:40 PM	#59 (permalink)
DDUnreal is !! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,264 Representing:	I don't know why we want to trade our young players for more young players who are just as unproven & it can be argued Derozan has as much upside as anyone in we could get from #2

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,389 Representing:	Well one reason would be if he told you he planned to leave.