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Acie 06-01-2011 11:10 AM

Leonard likens himself to Worthy
 
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He has been working hard on improving his ballhandling and his jumper by finding the proper balance on his release and landing. I want to do a lot of things on the court. I just want to be a complete basketball player. Dribble, pass, shoot, be a leader, play defense, block shots, steals. Im trying to do it all, Leonard said. I think my comparison would be like to one of the throwback type of players. James Worthy, versatile, could do a lot of stuff on the court.
LINK - Washington Post

Dutches 06-01-2011 11:51 AM

if we cant get kemba or knight i wouldnt mind taking a flyer on Leonard, the guy is seriously athletic from what i've seen. He'd look good next to Demar and Ed. JJ could still get solid minutes off the bench too.

jeffb 06-01-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutches (Post 544244)
if we cant get kemba or knight i wouldnt mind taking a flyer on Leonard, the guy is seriously athletic from what i've seen. He'd look good next to Demar and Ed. JJ could still get solid minutes off the bench too.

I couldn't agree more.

Acie 06-01-2011 12:26 PM

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Leonard wasn’t highly rated coming out of high school and didn’t start seriously considering the league until his coach, Steve Fisher, told him could he a late first-rounder earlier in the season. Despite a poor showing during the NBA combine -- where he had an average 32-inch maximum vertical, bench pressed 185 pounds just three times and timed lower than big man Enes Kanter in the agility drill -- the 6-foot-7 swingman is still considered one of the better athletes in the draft.

:suspicious:

Dark Knight 06-01-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 544252)
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Athletic, huh? :cookie:

LX 06-01-2011 03:52 PM

He was confused in the agility drill. There just shouldn't be that much stock put into any of that if there is ample evidence that a guy can do it on the court. The bench press is not very telling at all. Imagine having to lift with super long arms. I imagine Kevin Willis did great.

dfunkie1 06-01-2011 05:44 PM

pretty sure that i read it here, but leonard did his testing without a warm-up.

i'm with LX 100%. i remember criticizing durant because he was such a skinny little wimp who couldn't even bench 185lbs once. the reality is, he doesn't need to bench press players to play smart and kick ass.

DocHoliday99 06-01-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 544294)
pretty sure that i read it here, but leonard did his testing without a warm-up.

i'm with LX 100%. i remember criticizing durant because he was such a skinny little wimp who couldn't even bench 185lbs once. the reality is, he doesn't need to bench press players to play smart and kick ass.

+1

Acie 06-01-2011 07:20 PM

Except that Leonard doesn't have a tenth of the talent that Durant does and his game is based on strength and athleticism. And if he was confused by the agility drill (I saw it on TV and it looked pretty straight forward) then he's not the sharpest tool in the shed either.

Don Vito 06-02-2011 03:02 PM

I don't see any reason to draft this guy... James Johnson can do everything this guy does at a much higher level. In one of the weakest drafts in NBA history this guy compares himself to James Worthy... he is a complete nut.

jeffb 06-02-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 544636)
I don't see any reason to draft this guy... James Johnson can do everything this guy does at a much higher level. In one of the weakest drafts in NBA history this guy compares himself to James Worthy... he is a complete nut.

Much higher level? Really, based on what?

Don Vito 06-02-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 544642)
Much higher level? Really, based on what?

JJ changed the aura of the entire team since he got traded here. He does everything on the court just like Leonard claims he wants to do. JJ has a way higher basketball IQ, and an overall IQ for that matter. If Leonard can't remember the agility test how is he going to memorize defensive and offensive schemes? JJ is easily this teams best defender, he completely locked down and torched guys like Durant.

Also, call me when Leonard dunks on Blake Griffin.

JJ's Monster Putback - Mar. 26, 2011 | video | Raptors

jeffb 06-02-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 544650)
JJ changed the aura of the entire team since he got traded here. He does everything on the court just like Leonard claims he wants to do. JJ has a way higher basketball IQ, and an overall IQ for that matter. If Leonard can't remember the agility test how is he going to memorize defensive and offensive schemes? JJ is easily this teams best defender, he completely locked down and torched guys like Durant.

Also, call me when Leonard dunks on Blake Griffin.

JJ's Monster Putback - Mar. 26, 2011 | video | Raptors


Man, you should learn not to get so high on a player after a couple months. A player that couldn't get minutes in Chicago even previous to this season and was in the D League in January. To be so quick to anoint some high IQ player is setting yourself up for disapointment. You seriously think James Johnson is a legit starter in the NBA anytime soon on a good team?

Don Vito 06-02-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 544667)
Man, you should learn not to get so high on a player after a couple months. A player that couldn't get minutes in Chicago even previous to this season and was in the D League in January. To be so quick to anoint some high IQ player is setting yourself up for disapointment. You seriously think James Johnson is a legit starter in the NBA anytime soon on a good team?

He couldn't get minutes in Chicago because of Luol Deng. Its like if Vince Carter was in Toronto and we drafted DeRozan.. I'm pretty sure DeRozan wouldn't get any minutes either. If you think Leonard would get minutes playing behind Deng then you are delusional, not many players would in that situation.

You are in love with bringing up the D-League argument. Do you even know why he was sent to D-League? They were going to trade him and they wanted to get him in game shape. Just like Davis was sent into D-League to get into game shape. He was there for like a week and shipped to the Raptors. It is nonsensical to keep him on the bench if he is going to get traded.

jeffb 06-02-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 544673)
He couldn't get minutes in Chicago because of Luol Deng. Its like if Vince Carter was in Toronto and we drafted DeRozan.. I'm pretty sure DeRozan wouldn't get any minutes either. If you think Leonard would get minutes playing behind Deng then you are delusional, not many players would in that situation.

You are in love with bringing up the D-League argument. Do you even know why he was sent to D-League? They were going to trade him and they wanted to get him in game shape. Just like Davis was sent into D-League to get into game shape. He was there for like a week and shipped to the Raptors. It is nonsensical to keep him on the bench if he is going to get traded.


Because of Luol Deng? Deng play 39mpg this season, do you honestly think that if they had any confidence in Johnson that Deng would have averaged nearly 40mpg this past season? And do you think that the previous season he would have played in more then 13 games? Don't get me wrong i like Johnson, but to say we shouldn't get a SF b/c of him is nuts at this point considering he's going into his fourth season and he's yet to prove himself good enough to start on a good team. And to compare Davis injury rehab stint to Johnson's stint for being out of shape is assinine.

Superjudge 06-02-2011 05:24 PM

I'm willing to bet he dogged it at the combine. or he was hurt.

That said, bench press strength isn't shit, 185 was my max when I played, I could do it twice, thats it. That said I was strong enough to play in the post with 4's. Physics have a lot to do with it too. This guy is ripped, he's in shape, he also has 9 foot arms. The bench press exercise is designed for compact frames. Not long armed frames.

Anyhow, who knows.... I watched highlights of this guy and honestly, fuck the tests, he maxes out of the floor where it counts.

James Hardon sucked at the Combine too (man I wanted that guy) and look at him now.... solid as fuck.

Superjudge 06-02-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 544677)
Because of Luol Deng? Deng play 39mpg this season, do you honestly think that if they had any confidence in Johnson that Deng would have averaged nearly 40mpg this past season? And do you think that the previous season he would have played in more then 13 games? Don't get me wrong i like Johnson, but to say we shouldn't get a SF b/c of him is nuts at this point considering he's going into his fourth season and he's yet to prove himself good enough to start on a good team. And to compare Davis injury rehab stint to Johnson's stint for being out of shape is assinine.

I don't support this post.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 06-02-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 544241)
LINK - Washington Post

In a bad draft, if his work ethic matches his desire, take him. At least he has good goals. Edit; Doesn't sound like it does though from the combine info.

Pretty sure he's dreaming being a James Worthy Type. Worthy was one of the best ever.

Acie 06-02-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 544677)
Because of Luol Deng? Deng play 39mpg this season, do you honestly think that if they had any confidence in Johnson that Deng would have averaged nearly 40mpg this past season? And do you think that the previous season he would have played in more then 13 games? Don't get me wrong i like Johnson, but to say we shouldn't get a SF b/c of him is nuts at this point considering he's going into his fourth season and he's yet to prove himself good enough to start on a good team. And to compare Davis injury rehab stint to Johnson's stint for being out of shape is assinine.

Do you ever research your facts?

Johnson just completed his second season in the NBA, making the upcoming his third season, not his fourth. He played in 65 games as a rookie then after only playing in 13 last year (he was in Thibs doghouse for making a few bad decisions late in games) requested to go down to the D League so he could actually play and get minutes.

jeffb 06-02-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 544741)
Do you ever research your facts?

Johnson just completed his second season in the NBA, making the upcoming his third season, not his fourth. He played in 65 games as a rookie then after only playing in 13 last year (he was in Thibs doghouse for making a few bad decisions late in games) requested to go down to the D League so he could actually play and get minutes.


Sadly i did research. lol

You're right, i looked at the GP and saw three columns under Chicago and one under Toronto. I had a brain fart, i apologize. But i still say that having JJ should not preclude us from draft Leonard or a SF.


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