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Acie 05-20-2011 12:38 PM

Chisholm: Who will the Raptors be looking for at the draft?
 
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If the Toronto Raptors choice to re-sign Bryan Colangelo seemed inevitable on Tuesday afternoon, it looked necessary by Tuesday night. While the team had the third-worst record in the NBA this season, they wound up dropping in the draft lottery to fifth, essentially removing two (as yet unknown) players from their available pool to choose from on draft night. Colangelo was philosophical about the drop after the lottery went down, pointing out that not only does the fifth pick have a smaller cap hold than the third pick (relevant in terms of available cap space for free agent pursuit this summer), but that taking certain players that the team in interested in fifth is a lot more palatable than reaching for them at three. Who will the team be looking at in anticipation of the draft? Here's an early look.

THE TOP THREE

ENES KANTER - C - 6-11 - Turkey

While it's reasonable to assume that Utah will take a serious look at Kanter at three, and he likely won't fall below Cleveland at four, Toronto would no doubt love to see him be available when they pick. While he's missed nearly two years of competitive play for a variety of eligibility reasons, he's a beast of a centre with strong low-post instincts, rebounding acumen and stellar passing. He'd slide in perfectly alongside either Andrea Bargnani or Ed Davis in Toronto's front court by bringing a toughness to the position that the Raptors desperately need. Given the unlikelihood that he'll be on the board at five, though, combined with the strong free agent market for centres this summer, Toronto probably won't be able to fill their big-man need in the draft. If they can, however, it is a safe assumption that they would seriously consider doing so with Kanter.

BRANDON KNIGHT - G - 6-3 - Kentucky

Of all the players in the draft that may be available to the Raptors, Knight would seem to possess the greatest breadth of skills the club needs. He's a big, defensively-minded scoring guard that can create shots going to the basket while also hitting a decent percentage from behind the arc. He's not a natural playmaker, though, which means that he'll take some time to develop as an NBA-grade point guard (think Jrue Holiday) and at just 18 years old he'll have his growing pains out on the court early on, which may limit the team's ability to be competitive if they commit to starting him on day one. However, on the basis of his size, defence and three-point shooting alone he'll get a long look if he's available, and may well top the Raptors' board by the time the draft comes along.

KEMBA WALKER - G - 6-1 - UConn

If the Raptors want Walker, he'll almost assuredly be on the board when they pick. He's a strong scoring guard that oozes leadership, which is a desperately needed commodity in the Raptors locker room. Like Knight, he's not a pure point guard, but his incredible speed and ability to create his own shot shifts defences with ease and he'll be able to make plays for others on the basis of that skill. While be lucked out at the Chicago pre-draft camp this week by measuring a legit 6'1" in shoes (some feared he may be closer to 5'10"), he's still small in a league that is trending bigger at the point with guys like Derrick Rose and John Wall, and that may place him below Brandon Knight on Toronto's draft board. Nonetheless, he possess strengths that the Raptors need, especially as it pertains to leadership and scoring acumen, and that may be enough to get him to Toronto regardless of his physical stature.

LINK - TSN.ca

Superjudge 05-20-2011 12:48 PM

I dunno. The guys at the combine talking to BC were saying he likely would look at this Jonas Valenciounssgekalewnfnichcedxmw guy.

Shifty.py 05-20-2011 12:50 PM

He makes good point about Valanciunas , that Colangelo can't wait two seasons to get him.
Altho in lockout year it could be a bonus

Acie 05-20-2011 12:59 PM

I'm on the Walker bandwagon.

I love watching guys like Collison and Lawson. To me at least, he's of the same mold.

Bill Haverchuck 05-20-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 541142)
I'm on the Walker bandwagon.

I love watching guys like Collison and Lawson. To me at least, he's of the same mold.

I like Collison, but I'm not sure Walker is Collison. If we end up with Walker, I hope you're right.

Acie 05-20-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 541143)
I like Collison, but I'm not sure Walker is Collison. If we end up with Walker, I hope you're right.

Yeah, you're right. Kemba is a better shooter. ;)

Bill Haverchuck 05-20-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 541145)
Kemba is a better shooter. ;)

That wink better be an indication that you're joking, dude. Kemba's shooting is one of my main concerns about him. Both Collison and Lawson were very, very efficient college players whose solid shooting translated to the NBA. Kemba may be similar in stature, but the 5 or 6 times I saw him play, he looked like a volume shooter. I'm not calling him a chucker or anything, but he is fairly streaky. He is not showing the signs of efficiency that Collison and Lawson showed when entering the NBA.

jeffb 05-20-2011 01:15 PM

I would say:

1. Knight
2. Walker
3. Kanter
4. Leonard

And I think Leonard can be ahead of Kanter depending on what he does to impress in the workouts.

finstock 05-20-2011 01:29 PM

I'll be happy with either Knight or Kemba.

Still intrigued by Biyombo's defensive potential though. Don't know why he's labeled as undersized. He basically possesses the same measurements as D12 when he was drafted, although BB has a longer wingspan. You don't play defense with your neck. If anything, his lower center of gravity helps him, because he's comfortable switching screens and covering guards on the perimeter. And if they get a step on him, he'll still bother their shot. Opposing players are constantly double clutching, or throwing up circus shot just to avoid his long arms of the law. And lane intimidation is just what we need. I hope BC does his due diligence on BB.

Acie 05-20-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 541146)
That wink better be an indication that you're joking, dude. Kemba's shooting is one of my main concerns about him. Both Collison and Lawson were very, very efficient college players whose solid shooting translated to the NBA. Kemba may be similar in stature, but the 5 or 6 times I saw him play, he looked like a volume shooter. I'm not calling him a chucker or anything, but he is fairly streaky. He is not showing the signs of efficiency that Collison and Lawson showed when entering the NBA.

I should've added coming into the NBA.

IIRC Collison had pretty limited range coming out of UCLA. Maybe I'm wrong.

Bill Haverchuck 05-20-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 541156)
I should've added coming into the NBA.

My position would be the same. Lawson and Collison (especially Lawson) shoot the ball well for PGs. But they shot very well in college, so it's not surprising that it translated to the NBA. My concern is that Kemba needs volume to sustain a decent percentage. I'm not sure that's the best fit for the Raps, even if Kemba turns out to be a respectable pro for another team, which I think he could be. That's why I didn't want to call him a chucker. He might be a solid player in a particular role. Maybe he turns into an awesome 6th man like Terry or Crawford. Who knows?

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IIRC Collison had pretty limited range coming out of UCLA. Maybe I'm wrong.
Both Collison and Lawson shot a high percentage from behind the arc. Collison shot over 40% from 3 for his college career, and that was on a significant amount of attempts.

It's really unfortunate the Raps didn't have a second first rounder in 2009. That draft was quite deep at PG, even outside the lottery. Jrue, Collison, Lawson - all of them are respectable players with their best ball ahead of them.

RAPMAN 05-26-2011 01:27 PM

BC is going after team need rather than best player available:

Jack in Toronto:
Biyombo a major reach for the Raptors at #5?

Jonathan Givony:
I don't think so, no. All the guys who are in that 3-10 range have very clear strengths and weaknesses. More than any other year I can remember really. If you like one guy more than the other and he clearly fits your needs, I say go ahead and take him. I've spoken with Bryan and I know he feels exactly the same way (not necessarily about Biyombo, but about that philosophy with this class)


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DocHoliday99 05-30-2011 12:27 AM

nbadraft.net update has us taking Leonard....

1 *Cleveland Derrick Williams
2 Minnesota Kyrie Irving Fr.
3 *Utah Enes Kanter Fr.
4 Cleveland Brandon Knight
5 Toronto Kawhi Leonard

DocHoliday99 05-30-2011 12:31 AM

nbadraft has Leonard compared to Wallace....if he is close I'd be very happy

powerfulpanda 05-30-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 543698)
nbadraft has Leonard compared to Wallace....if he is close I'd be very happy

he didn't do very well at the combine and his stock took a hit

DocHoliday99 05-30-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 543724)
he didn't do very well at the combine and his stock took a hit

I read that too. Will it make a huge difference though? Some have done well then teams take a chance and the player doesn't perform like the team hopes. Some have a bad outing then excel. I have mixed feelings about the combine.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-30-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 543744)
I read that too. Will it make a huge difference though? Some have done well then teams take a chance and the player doesn't perform like the team hopes. Some have a bad outing then excel. I have mixed feelings about the combine.

I think that the most important thing teams are looking for is whether a prospect knows how to keep himself in shape.

Verts and sprints don't always translate on to the court very well. In the fourth quarter conditioning is often the difference.

Enes Kanter's performance at the combine was huge for his draft stock. Teams know that he takes his conditioning seriously. He could easily have shown up out of shape, but his conditioning was better than any other big. Without a game played in about a year. That's extremely impressive.

It moved me into the pro Kanter camp. Kanter or Valanciunas. Either one, but I still prefer Valanciunas.

EggsToTheBBQ 05-30-2011 01:46 PM

Iman Shumpert really didn't hurt his draft stock at the combine. I wonder if his perimeter defense could translate to the NBA.

Isiah Thomas also looks interesting as a "waterbug" point guard.

Both players will get an extra look from NBA scouts, and sometimes that's all a prospect needs, especially one that hasn't been playing big games on national television.

A team that needs something that those guys bring will definitely be aware of them now. They both have world class athleticism.

DocHoliday99 05-30-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 543763)
I think that the most important thing teams are looking for is whether a prospect knows how to keep himself in shape.

Verts and sprints don't always translate on to the court very well. In the fourth quarter conditioning is often the difference.

Enes Kanter's performance at the combine was huge for his draft stock. Teams know that he takes his conditioning seriously. He could easily have shown up out of shape, but his conditioning was better than any other big. Without a game played in about a year. That's extremely impressive.

It moved me into the pro Kanter camp. Kanter or Valanciunas. Either one, but I still prefer Valanciunas.

I would like Kanter as well however I'm going to hold to my mock draft and say he'll be gone with Utah at the #3. Seems after the combine it pushed him up which is too bad for us. This is great news for the Cavs though as Knight will fall to them at the 4 - plus I have them taking Williams 1 so this will be a good draft for them. Jonas will be great for the Raps, I've said that before, especially if the NBA is locked out for the year.

RAPMAN 05-30-2011 04:44 PM

Maybe the Jazz do go after Katner at No. 3, which would allow Raptor's get Brandon Knight. Apparently Okur's rehab will take awhile, and Kevin O'Connor says there in no rush in their starting center's return:

"Jazz general manager Kevin O’Connor said Utah is preparing for the draft with the idea that veteran center Mehmet Okur might not return to action."

“What we’re planning on with Memo is to have him back and have him healthy,” O’Connor said. “How long it takes him to get back and into the flow of things, I don’t know. But you prepare for the worst, and you hope for the best.”



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