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LX 03-27-2011 11:36 AM

CHISHOLM: Walker could be in Raptors Red
 
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Of course, while it is nice to get more shots to DeRozan and Bargnani in better spots, the real allure of drafting Walker would be knocking both of them back a peg in the Raptors scoring hierarchy. Even though both have had stretches with impressive scoring totals this season, both have struggled to consistently shoulder the burden of carrying the team's offensive load, as both players tend to be a bit more passive in their nature than a traditional top scorer would be. Having a guy like Walker, who thrives with the ball in his hands, both taking guys off of the dribble or coming off of screens, would free up DeRozan and Bargnani to work more on finishing than creating. Walker would be able to use his tremendous speed to get himself to the basket, or he can use the threat of his speed to open up some space for his killer midrange game (he's a much better shooter than most small guards are when they come into the NBA). Remember, the NBA rules favour quick guards that like to penetrate (it's so often repeated it's become a cliché), and the Raptors haven't had a guard that exploited those rules in a long time. Some will say T.J. Ford was the last best example, but even he had such a shaky jump shot that defending his penetration was made considerably easier than it would be against Walker, who is just as comfortable rising up from two or three to get his baskets. While his shooting percentages suggest otherwise, one has to remember that he has very little help on UConn's roster, which allows defenses to key in on him more while also forcing Walker to to shoulder more of the scoring load than he should have to. At the NBA level, he'll have better teammates to play off of, which should help his percentages better reflect his ability. Keep in mind, UConn was unranked at the beginning of this year, and that should go a long way to towards illustrating how pedestrian Walker's supporting cast was this season.

Of course, for many the conversation with regards to Walker will begin and end with his undersized frame. It's worth noting that currently, five teams employ sub-six-foot guards (Lawson, Lowry, D.J. Augustin, Darren Collison, Jameer Nelson), while Aaron Brooks won last year's Most Improved Player award as a starter for Houston. Most of these players have succeeded by maximizing their relative strengths, usually speed and scoring, to help offset the fact that they lose two-to-four inches against most NBA matchups. Yes, a smaller stature means that Walker - and the team that drafts him - will need to make adjustments that other team's won't have to make, but it can be done, it has been done and plenty more will do it again. Heck, Damon Stoudamire won the Rookie of the Year award by leading the inaugural Raptors attack at 5-foot-10 with 19.0 ppg and 9.3 apg averages, so not only is there precedent for small players to succeed but there is even precedent in the Raptors' own history.

The fact is, so long as Irving, Williams and Barnes are off the board, it's difficult to make a compelling case for another player than Walker. Perry Jones is a soft power forward that plays like a small forward (sound familiar?), Enes Kanter hasn't played competitively in a year, Jan Vesely is severely under-skilled and Jonas Valanciunas is still more of a hustle guy than a go-to player. Only Brandon Knight, Kentucky's rapidly-improving combo guard, seems worth discussing as a possible challenger at this point to Walker, but he's even less of a passer than Kemba is. Both will probably see a lot of each other on the workout circuit, and that's probably where one will ultimately separate himself from the other. Truth be told, though, it may not so much be a matter of one being better than the other as one being better suited to a team's needs than the other. With so little knock-out talent in this draft, team needs will play the role of stalemate-breaker in more than one war room, and for the Raptors that may put Walker at the top of their list.

jeffb 03-27-2011 11:44 AM

If we pick 4th or worse we probably won't have a chance to get him if everyone starts pulling out of the draft.

Don Vito 03-27-2011 07:31 PM

Both Walker and Knight are rising in the draft, carrying their teams through March Madness. It gives us more incentive to draft a point guard because thats the position we mostly need. Whichever draft number we get, we will have good choices at the point guard position with Irving, Walker, and Knight. Once we draft a point guard.. sky is the limit.

Aamir 03-27-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 524205)
Both Walker and Knight are rising in the draft, carrying their teams through March Madness. It gives us more incentive to draft a point guard because thats the position we mostly need. Whichever draft number we get, we will have good choices at the point guard position with Irving, Walker, and Knight. Once we draft a point guard.. sky is the limit.

I also hear Selby is pretty good.

surreyjack 03-27-2011 10:00 PM

I like Kemba but his size worries me. I don't think he is 6'0 more like 5'9ish so he may get his shot blocked and have problems finishing around the rim. The kid is such a warrior though he led the Cavs of college basketball to the final four and he has a sick crossover like Iverson sick. He won't be able to guard anyone in the NBA but he could be unguardable because of his quickness. If Irving, and Williams are off the board I would take him.

Brandon Knight hasn't really impressed me. He has a jumper and is a good scorer but I don't see any PG instincts. He makes horrible decisions and turns the ball over when he tries to make a play (like Bayless) unless its pnr. His handle isn't great either. He's like Demar he's raw but very young (19) so he has high upside but he may take a few years to develop.

Shifty.py 03-28-2011 03:58 AM

How is Walker or Knight different from Bayless? Give Jerryd 20 FGA he will be just as good. And team will be just as bad.

thought 03-28-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by surreyjack (Post 524235)
I like Kemba but his size worries me. I don't think he is 6'0 more like 5'9ish so he may get his shot blocked and have problems finishing around the rim. The kid is such a warrior though he led the Cavs of college basketball to the final four and he has a sick crossover like Iverson sick. He won't be able to guard anyone in the NBA but he could be unguardable because of his quickness. If Irving, and Williams are off the board I would take him.

Brandon Knight hasn't really impressed me. He has a jumper and is a good scorer but I don't see any PG instincts. He makes horrible decisions and turns the ball over when he tries to make a play (like Bayless) unless its pnr. His handle isn't great either. He's like Demar he's raw but very young (19) so he has high upside but he may take a few years to develop.

+1 i want nothing to do with brandon knight.

he's like a poor man's jrue holliday

surreyjack 03-28-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 524283)
How is Walker or Knight different from Bayless? Give Jerryd 20 FGA he will be just as good. And team will be just as bad.

Well for one Kemba can keep his dribble alive and is a natural leader. Like I mentioned in my post he has a sick crossover that lets him get in the lane easily, he's quicker, more explosive, and has a better shot. Both aren't great distributors but I have more faith in Walker.

thought 03-28-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 524283)
How is Walker or Knight different from Bayless? Give Jerryd 20 FGA he will be just as good. And team will be just as bad.

walker can actually hit a jumpshot at higher than a 40% clip - that's with double teams coming at him as high up as the 3 point line and defenses structured solely to stop him. not to mention he's creating his own shot most of the time, which separates him from bayless who's usually shooting off of the catch. i'd be interested to see what walker's assisted to unassisted buckets ratio is. It wouldn't surprise me if it was pushing 10:1.

DSWC 03-29-2011 12:15 AM

I think I've put my opinion in every other Kemba thread, but I REALLLLLLLY hope he's a Raptor on draft night. (Assuming we don't move up from our draft position).

We could keep Jose for another year, while Kemba develops, and then trade Jose as an expiring, and let him take over. I think he's going to be something special, regardless of height. He's been playing the #1 role at UCONN, and having any kind of help around him, would give him extra space. A DeMar/Kemba back-court could be SCARY in a couple of years.

EggsToTheBBQ 03-29-2011 12:35 AM

Why draft a PG when Kabongo is likely in the 2012 draft?

C/SF this year and Kabongo next year. I don't mind another year of Jose.

FoldedLaundry 03-29-2011 02:28 AM

I don't mind getting Walker :cookie:

RaptorsFan4Life 03-29-2011 05:33 AM

There is no way in hell I'd take walker in top 15. There are reports saying he's closer to 5 ft 10 and he's far from a pure PG., more of SG. He's going to be 2nd/3rd guard coming off the bench, he's not a franchise guy. I'd get Knight over him he has the same prob (not a great passer) but he has the size, shooting ability and clutchness of Walker while only losing a little bit of explosiveness and speed.

BTW Knight will contain and out play Walker in this coming matchup book it.

thought 03-29-2011 09:44 AM

no one has contained walker all year and the guy is playing his best basketball of the season coming into this game.

i don't understand how people are still sleeping on this guy. dude's team was unranked at the beginning of the season, and rightfully so, because the rotation consists of him and a bunch of freshies. will to win, stage presence, big game player, he's got the total package. if a guy like ty lawson, who was half the player in college that kemba is now, can be an 11/5 player in the L, then Kemba's got big things ahead.

RaptorsFan4Life 03-29-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thought (Post 524624)
no one has contained walker all year and the guy is playing his best basketball of the season coming into this game.

i don't understand how people are still sleeping on this guy. dude's team was unranked at the beginning of the season, and rightfully so, because the rotation consists of him and a bunch of freshies. will to win, stage presence, big game player, he's got the total package. if a guy like ty lawson, who was half the player in college that kemba is now, can be an 11/5 player in the L, then Kemba's got big things ahead.

There is too much size in the NBA.

I 99.9% positive Knight will be able to contain him.

thought 03-29-2011 11:06 AM

29/6 for walker when they played kentucky in the maui invitational this year.

just sayin bro

DSWC 03-29-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorsFan4Life (Post 524601)

BTW Knight will contain and out play Walker in this coming matchup book it.

I'd take that bet in a second. No one has been able to stop him all year, and he's been even better - stepping up his game - since the big east tournament.

Don Vito 03-29-2011 06:43 PM

Kemba Walker: Has UConn Star Vaulted Himself to the No. 1 NBA Draft Pick? | Bleacher Report

Whoever thinks this guy will get picked out of the top 10 is delusional. He is the best player in this draft.

jeffb 03-29-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 524801)
Whoever thinks this guy will get picked out of the top 10 is delusional. He is the best player in this draft.

+1

I'd be shocked if he gets past #3

Dark Knight 03-29-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 524801)
Kemba Walker: Has UConn Star Vaulted Himself to the No. 1 NBA Draft Pick? | Bleacher Report

Whoever thinks this guy will get picked out of the top 10 is delusional. He is the best player in this draft.

Wow, you know your draft is weak when...

Don't get me wrong, Kemba is a good player, but in any other draft, he would be a late lottery pick. Maybe even a mid-late first rounder.


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