Zicarelli: Bosh's Beijing won't translate
Old 08-28-2008, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This notion that Bosh will somehow benefit from playing at a high level is utter nonsense.

The international game, from its coaching, culture and competitors, is as far from the NBA experience as the distance from Toronto to Beijing.

Bosh will be buoyed, but his memories of China will serve no purpose when the Raptors tip off their regular season on Oct. 29.

Bosh being Bosh and knowing how the media game gets played, he'll talk glowingly about the Olympic experience when the subject inevitably gets broached.

He'll say all the right things, but no one is going to remember his role in helping the U.S. defeat Spain.

No one is going to confuse Roko Ukic for Jason Kidd, Will Solomon for LeBron James or Hassan Adams for Kobe Bryant.

When surrounded by great players, Bosh continues to show that be belongs on the same floor.

Bosh didn't need the Olympics to prove that point.

What Bosh needs is to get mean, get his elbows in a defender's face, make the right decision out of double teams and learn from Jermaine O'Neal, who means more to the Raptors franchise player than any Spanish conquest or Olympic glory.

Assuming he stays healthy and assuming he accepts being the second option, O'Neal will take Bosh's game to that all-important next level and perhaps the Raptors will get out of the first round.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This should be titled "Benzo is not alone"
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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that's horrible journalism. what the hell is the point of all that?
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Waste of space on internet and newspapers He is not saying much but general sense or non-sense.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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that's horrible journalism. what the hell is the point of all that?
I guess it's to say that Raptors aren't the US team. That and bigger attention from US people on him.

BTW, it looks like he is getting that attention (maybe this is old, dunno):

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Chris Bosh has essentially become the face of the Toronto Raptors, after the departure of Vince Carter from the franchise’s ranks. As a three time All-Star, a member of the gold medal-winning USA Olympic Basketball Team at the Beijing 2008 Olympics, and basically one of the most dynamic young players in the NBA, Bosh is definitely a well-known player. Being such a well-regarded member of the NBA, Nike is now introducing a new colorway of the Hyperdunk based on Mr. Bosh. These sick Hyperdunks come in a nice white, red, and black colorway, giving these futuristic shoes a nice classic look, with a color scheme similar to many of Nike and Jordan Brand’s famous releases from the past. Furthermore, a CB4 label on the tongue, as well as a “4″ on the side of the kicks denotes Bosh’s influence on the design of these Hyperdunks, and adds a nice touch to the overall aesthetic. No word on a release of these as of yet, but Raptors fans should definitely take heart in the fact that Nike is definitely showing their ace some love.
http://sneakernews.com/2008/08/27/ni...chris-bosh-pe/


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Old 08-28-2008, 12:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This should be titled "Benzo is not alone"
Why, he says Bosh belongs on the floor with the best players in the world.Would you say that.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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that's horrible journalism. what the hell is the point of all that?
Basically that Bosh is one of the best players in the World but that the Raptors aren't as good a as Team USA.Quelle surprise??

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Old 08-28-2008, 01:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Why, he says Bosh belongs on the floor with the best players in the world.Would you say that.
sure...you seem to think I don't think Bosh is great...I do...he is just not at THAT level yet..
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sure...you seem to think I don't think Bosh is great...I do...he is just not at THAT level yet..
You expect too much from him. He's not going to be the Kobe, LeBron, Jordan for a while or maybe ever.
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree with Benzo and Zicarelli, or the other way around - it doesn't really matter.

The Olympics will do wonders for Bosh's spirit and confidence, but his role with the Raptors is entirely different from his role with the Olympic team. He is, or supposed to be, to the Raptors what Kobe and LeBron were for that team - a vocal leader at both ends of the floor and the best two-way player on his team. On Team USA, Bosh is a hustle guy not unlike Humphries for the Raptors. In fact, I'll venture to say that Humphries gets the ball on offence more often for the Raps than Bosh did throughout the Olympic tournament - instead of having offence run through him, he had to live off putbacks, offensive rebounds and an occasional alley-oop or two.

He does need to get meaner, he does need to think faster, especially out of a double-team and JO is the guy who could help him more than any Team USA experience. Why that was a "horrible journalism" is beyond my understanding.
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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maybe if zicarelli wanted to write something worthwhile, he would focus on our teams inadequacies that has disable Bosh from performing like he did in the olympics. instead of focusing on how Bosh won't improve from his summer performance, maybe talk about how playing beside a player who can be relied upon like JO could open up the floor for him to play tighter, more efficient defense. the article has no substance, and only states the obvious.

the Raptors aren't the redeem team! wowzers! holy baloney batman!

bosh needs to get meaner, throw some elbows? no shit. our team has been the biggest vagina since 2001.

good job zicarelli!
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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... and only states the obvious.

the Raptors aren't the redeem team! wowzers! holy baloney batman!

bosh needs to get meaner, throw some elbows? no shit. our team has been the biggest vagina since 2001.

good job zicarelli!
You mustn't forget that what's obvious to you and to the relatively few people who follow the team closely and know their basketball might not be obvious at all to the Joe Q. Public.

Our sports media is bad to say the least. In terms of basketball, it's either openly homeristic or vaguely critical. As far back as I can remember, only Feschuk had the guts to write some pointedly critical articles about the Raps from time to time. I am not making Zicarelli into the second coming of Red Auerbach, but in that piece, he is making some legitimate demands of our franchise player and I don't see anything wrong with that, anything at all.

Once again - no player on Team USA has a luxury to play with such talented cast during the NBA season (save for the meaningless ASG). However, he is absolutely right in pointing out the very different role Bosh played on that team as opposed to the Raps, while players like Bron, Kobe or Wade (except for the latter coming off the bench) played a role very similar to the one they assume in the league play. He then proceeded to point out the weaknesses in Bosh's game that have been there for years and that should be improved upon if he is to fully assume his franchise player mantle. Again, what's wrong there?
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Mike, what he wrote so is obvious: US Team is Not Raptors, FIBA in not NBA, Jason Kidd is Not Solomon, Beijing is not Toronto, summer is not winter, Bosh is not Bosh! Well, the last one is less obvious!

Bosh certainly gained from Olympic experience, he doesn't have to translate what he learn in Beijing, he has to adjust and influence Raptors in positive way. I found the article childish and the message he transmitted is just general speculations suitable more for forum discussions then a topic for a journalist. You can find this kind of messages on realgm, 20-30 per day
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Mike, what he wrote so is obvious: US Team is Not Raptors, FIBA in not NBA, Jason Kidd is Not Solomon, Beijing is not Toronto, summer is not winter, Bosh is not Bosh! Well, the last one is less obvious!

Bosh certainly gained from Olympic experience, he doesn't have to translate what he learn in Beijing, he has to adjust and influence Raptors in positive way. I found the article childish and the message he transmitted is just general speculations suitable more for forum discussions then a topic for a journalist. You can find this kind of messages on realgm, 20-30 per day
What can I say? I will stand in minority then, but I still liked what he said, no matter whether it was said in the newspaper or on RealGM.
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he actually doesn't speak of the role that he played, he just states that his role will be forgotten and that he's teammates aren't going to be jason kidd and lebron james. for john q public, maybe that would need explaining otherwise you're expecting every reader to have followed each and every game.

mike, your responses have twice the substance that article does. i understand his message, but the article sucks.
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mike, your responses have twice the substance that article does. i understand his message, but the article sucks.
LOL. Ok, under these conditions, I agree to trash the article.
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Why is it accepted knowledge that Jose's success at the worlds translated into improved play in the NBA, but nothing at all will translate for Bosh?

And where in this article does it say that Bosh will turn into Vince part 2?

I think that Bosh was already doing much of what he did for Team USA. If I remember correctly, he hurt his knee vs. Minny while showing on the screen and then hustling to recover and find his man, and having a foot slide out from underneath him. The article says as much I suppose, although I agree it really says nothing. A good article might look at how he was able to measure his leadership abilities - an important thing at this stage in his career, and and at this stage in this team's development. And it might have looked at what his gold could do for him mentally, if not in every game, then in big games at least. I find it hard to believe there will be nothing helpful for him to make use of. It's like saying that players only gain from experience if everything remains exactly the same as their previous experience.

Now if he walks into Toronto thinking the Raptors can do what Team USA did in terms of sheer talent that can be deployed, then he is an idiot. But does this Zicarelli, or Benzo for that matter really think he's that stupid? Because that's what kinda gets implied, if anything at all.
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That's true 2 years ago everybody said Jose's sucess was becasue Spain won the gold and now people are saying Bosh can't improve with this gold medal experience
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:22 PM   #20 (permalink)
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the big difference is that jose played a similar role in the olympics. Plus, he had obviously improved his shooting which was his weak area. Bosh hasn't shown that much in the olympics, other than the fact that he can defend the perimeter when needed. However, in NBA Bosh has no chance of doing the same thing, perimeter players here are much faster and stronger, and there's much less pick and roll and a lot more isolations. So I can see where he's coming - things he did well in Beijing will not make a difference here.

However, there are a couple of key points he's missing:
1. after Beijing, his status got a siginificant upgrade - he's probably at the same level as carmelo or howard was last season, which is just a notch below the ultra-elite level of Kobe, Lebron and Wade. This will help him and us get more calls, especially in the playoffs, where we watched Howard getting lots of 50-50 calls his way.

2. confidence - his confidence should be maxed out right now, he finally feels that he belongs with the big guys. As you all know, confidence is a very important factor in NBA, so he should get a nice boost from these games.

Finally, if you add to what Colangelo said about his conditioning being the best ever, it's not unreasonable to have great expectations from him this season. Hopefully he can deliver, my biggest fear is injuries - and I think it's the only thing that would keep him from having a career season.
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