Zicarelli: Bosh Is Not A Franchise Player
Old 05-13-2009, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The feel-good story that is Jay Triano doesn't have a prayer of ending on a good note unless the Raptors radically change their roster and philosophy.

All one needs to fully grasp the gap that exists between the Raptors and most of their hardwood peers is to watch an NBA playoff game.

Teams that are competing for a title are athletic and tough.

Teams that harbour hopes of going far into the playoffs have players who can create their own shot in late-game situations.

The teams that excel at this time of the year defend and are deep.

They also have a legitimate franchise player.

The Raptors are so far away that Triano's presence as a full-time head coach will have a minimal impact because the team has very few pieces that are playoff-calibre.

And for those who actually think that Chris Bosh is a franchise player, think again.

Bosh is a good guy who has been asked to shoulder a lot in Toronto, but he's a complementary piece. He is not a go-to guy.

He is Pau Gasol, a very good player who put up very good numbers on a losing team in Memphis.

As soon as Gasol got traded and became a second option to Kobe Bryant, Gasol's true value was confirmed.

Bosh needs to play on a team with an athletic wing capable of getting Bosh open looks.

The Raptors don't have such a player, and the chances of the team acquiring one this off-season are slim to none because there so few are available.

A lot has been made of Bosh ending up in South Beach to play alongside Dwyane Wade and still more will be made when Bosh's future in Hogtown resurfaces.

Talk of Bosh ending up in Miami makes a lot of sense.

What doesn't make sense is for Bosh to stick around Toronto beyond what is contractually obligated.

Bosh wants to be playing deep into May and in an ideal world in June.

He twice has been to the post-season, and twice been eliminated, in the opening round, each time used in an offensive set with Jose Calderon.

Each time the Raptors failed in the defining moment because neither Bosh nor Calderon can create their own shot.

It's nice of the Raptors to remove the interim tag from Triano and it's nice of them to talk about their commitment to get tougher and better.

But people should not lose sight of the difficulties that lie ahead, which are many.

Triano is no miracle worker, but he must work on Andrea Bargnani's shot selection.

The long leash Triano provided Bargnani must be shortened.

If Bosh does stick around, Triano must be more demanding of Bosh.

The Raptors can't possibly get worse on defence and surely an entire training camp under Triano's watch will help, no matter what talent GM Bryan Colangelo brings in and no matter who assists Triano on the bench.

Good on Colangelo for sticking with Triano, who deserved the appointment.

Now comes the hard part of surrounding Triano with quality pieces to coach.

How Colangelo goes about the process remains the million-dollar question.

How good Triano is able to develop as a coach depends entirely on how good a job Colangelo does this summer.

If nothing meaningful gets done, it doesn't matter whether Jay Triano is coaching the Raptors or Jay Leno.

The focus now is on Colangelo.

Packing a Pistol

In time, the name Ricky Rubio will be a household name.

For now, the Spanish sensation only can wait until next month's draft.

Rubio is a can't-miss prospect and the second-best player available next to Oklahoma's Blake Griffin.

Rubio is 18. His Spanish nickname is Il Pistola (The Pistol) because of Rubio's physical resemblance to the late great Pistol Pete Maravich.

Rubio's style of play also has drawn comparisons to Maravich.

Dan Fegan, who represents pending Raptors free agent Shawn Marion, has signed Rubio.

A player of Rubio's skill is coveted by any NBA team.

But the team that ultimately picks him will have to negotiate a buyout from Rubio's Spanish league club, reportedly $3 million US.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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why can't sport writers put paragraphs together? everything is always in once sentence bullets...
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Actually Ricky Rubio doesnt have a nickname here. He is simply Ricky.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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And "Il Pistola"? I didnt know we spoke Italian in Spain. Shows a lot about the credibity of this dude.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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what does Ricky have to w/ Bosh not being a franchise player?
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what does Ricky have to w/ Bosh not being a franchise player?
more like what does this "story" have to do with anything?
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Why does the writer fail to mention the Pau Gasol teams that won 50 games and were favourites at one point in the West? He was really only on one bad Memphis team (last year's).
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What do the Raptors have to do with Rubio. Is he saying that the Raps are gonna go after him? This guy is a bit of a schmuck.
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Why does the writer fail to mention the Pau Gasol teams that won 50 games and were favourites at one point in the West? He was really only on one bad Memphis team (last year's).
And why doesnt he talk about what happened to memphis AFTER trading gasol?
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So does he mean that all Bosh needs to be like Gasol is to play with Kobe?
or Wade?
or Bron?
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't think anybody contests the fact that Bosh is a more of second hand superstar. Gasol is a very very good player, but compared to kobe is more like a role player on that team. And memphis struggled after battier left, when gasol was still a member of that team.
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And why doesnt he talk about what happened to memphis AFTER trading gasol?
People who discuss/examine history, usually use it to their own ends and like to leave out small (large) parts. They assume that people are unable or too dumb to examine or look at the facts themselves.

Yes, let's mimic Memphis. Last time I looked at their attendance, they had about 100 people watching an NBA game. Brilliant team to follow after.
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Why does the writer fail to mention the Pau Gasol teams that won 50 games and were favourites at one point in the West? He was really only on one bad Memphis team (last year's).
His first two seasons and in his final one and a half seasons in Memphis the Grizzlies failed to break 30 wins.
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Zicarelli - not good writer - but great whiny-voiced grunt that can't put a paragraph together.
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His first two seasons and in his final one and a half seasons in Memphis the Grizzlies failed to break 30 wins.
Yes, and those were piss poor teams. His first two years were brutal.
But once Hubie Brown stepped in and he actually coached, the team did extremely well and it was until injuries in 2005-06 that really hurt that Grizzlies team (losing Damon Stoudamire hurt them large). Then 2006-07 he fractured his foot, hurting him even further as I know for a fact that you need a good 4-5 mos. of good rehab to be back to peak condition.

Gasol is a damn good player if you were to properly build around him. The Grizz were close when they had Hubie and Fratello. They just had some piss poor luck.
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We are not Memphis. First of all we don't have cheap owners, who unload good players for cap space, and we have great fans that will always fill the ACC. Even with a team that finished in the bottom 10, we had a top ten attendance. Also in the lean years when we were not making the playoffs, we always had favorable attendance. We have great fans, were are still waiting for players to build around Bosh. Lets judge Bosh when he has a good supporting cast. Look how Melo is doing with Billups by his side, he sure looks like a better player this year.
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The man makes a very good point by using Gasol as an example. However, virtually every highly successful big man has had an elite wing souldering a lot of the offense in the second half, especially at the end of games. When the game is on the line you saw Kobe or Wade with the ball in their hands, not Shaq. In San Antonio you saw Parker or Manu taking "the shot". Garnett really had little team success until had found Allen and Pierce. You see Pierce or Allen with the ball in their hands in the clutch, not KG.

I think Bosh needs an elite scorer on the wing to shoulder the weight in the crunch, just as the above mentioned players had and I am not comparing Bosh to those three, just showing how the cream of the crop need the elite guy on the wing as well. Bosh doesn't need Wade, Kobe, or Pierce though. A second tier guy like Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Luol Deng, etc. might be what the doctor ordered. To get someone like that is going to cost more than the Raptors are willing to give(Bargnani). So, its best to move Bosh and find a wing who Bargnani can compliment.

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The article looks loke shit. I don't want to read little sentences like that. If I did I would rather read a children's picture book
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The article looks loke shit. I don't want to read little sentences like that. If I did I would rather read a children's picture book
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Damn it stop blaming Bosh. We all know he sucks but please let's stop saying it because he's probably being traded. The more people say Bosh sucks, the worst price we get
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