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Old 03-26-2009, 10:31 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It would represent a symbolic change to reflect his new attitude on the court.

Sorry LX, I didn't mean to insult your inteligeeence
You didn't insult anything. You simply made an incredibly shallow comment. Please carry on.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:33 AM   #22 (permalink)
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He gets alot of respect from the refs.

And his numbers don't lie.

Could he do better? Yeah, but u can say that about most players in the league.
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There are more people who don't respect Kobe than there are who don't respect Bosh.
Kobe the person.... not kobe the player.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:57 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Kobe the person.... not kobe the player.
Actually in an SI poll, Kobe did not rate very well as a guy players would not like to play with.
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Actually, Kobe and Bosh should never ever be mentioned in comparison.



Huge insult to Kobe in every conceivable way.
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:25 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Did highonpsi hack Snooch's account?

Just wondering....
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:46 AM   #27 (permalink)
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But according to Snooch's "stats".. randolph probably has better offensive and defensive ratings that Bosh. His ratings are also probably higher than Lebron's and Wades. Heck, isnt Maxiel one of the best offensive players in the league Snooch?

Kobe hasn't done anything in the playoffs except for when he had Shaq (Shaq's 3-peat... also took Wade to a title.. although Wade has a finals MVP and Kobe has 0). And then later when he got another all-star in gasol... Kobe is playing under Phil Jackson... Bosh is playing under Triano.

You give Bosh one of the maybe 10 greatest players or another all-star and see what he can do. I'm not saying Bosh is as good as kobe.. but Kobe couldn't do ANYTHING in the playoffs without another all-star either.
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:52 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Did highonpsi hack Snooch's account?

Just wondering....
You mean he's still around? Dammit, I thought he would have been banned by now. Oh well, I can keep dreaming.
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:54 AM   #29 (permalink)
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But according to Snooch's "stats".. randolph probably has better offensive and defensive ratings that Bosh. His ratings are also probably higher than Lebron's and Wades. Heck, isnt Maxiel one of the best offensive players in the league Snooch?

Kobe hasn't done anything in the playoffs except for when he had Shaq (Shaq's 3-peat... also took Wade to a title.. although Wade has a finals MVP and Kobe has 0). And then later when he got another all-star in gasol... Kobe is playing under Phil Jackson... Bosh is playing under Triano.

You give Bosh one of the maybe 10 greatest players or another all-star and see what he can do. I'm not saying Bosh is as good as kobe.. but Kobe couldn't do ANYTHING in the playoffs without another all-star either.
When you have Kwame Brown and Smush Parker starting for you..
It's not even his fault he murdered Raja Bell. He single-handedly brought the Lakers to a 41-41 record. (Odom was a scared waste of space back then)

He gets Gasol, he went to the Finals. That's nothing??
Hey I guess you can say the same for Paul Pierce. He got Garnett, and Allen before he could even make the playoffs.


As for the Randolph comment, he's a fool. Trying to be PG and airballing a 3.

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Old 03-26-2009, 11:55 AM   #30 (permalink)
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maybe they dont respect kobe has a person, but they def respect him as a player, which is what this is about. Differently, you will always have ppl thinking they are better then u, hell, i always thought i was better then everybody i played too. This is the biggest grain of salt, who cares what zbo thinks?? If you really think this is more then a reflection of zbo's ego and stupidity and reflects on Bosh whatsoever, you are tripping hard.
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:59 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Hey I guess you can say the same for Paul Pierce. He got Garnett, and Allen before he could even make the playoffs.
Huh? I guess that was a different Paul Pierce that led the Celts to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2002 and made the playoffs the following three seasons after that.

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Old 03-26-2009, 12:00 PM   #32 (permalink)
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yea but paul pierce is the best player in the world, just ask him
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Huh? I guess that was a different Paul Pierce that led the Celts to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2002.
I think he had teamates. Wasn't Antoine Walker averaging 22 and 8 a game?
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When you have Kwame Brown and Smush Parker starting for you..
It's not even his fault he murdered Raja Bell. He single-handedly brought the Lakers to a 41-41 record. (Odom was a scared waste of space back then)

He gets Gasol, he went to the Finals. That's nothing??
Hey I guess you can say the same for Paul Pierce. He got Garnett, and Allen before he could even make the playoffs.

Jamario moon and Anthony parker and Rasho? we went 41-41 then.

Kobe had lamar, and Bosh had Ford. And they both lost in the first round. We have seen what Bosh can do without another all-star. Probably the same thing kobe could do... lose in the first round. Get him some help and then judge him before throwing him under the bus... we've had 4 D-league guys cycle through our team this year...

This forum bashes Bosh ALOT.. sheesh.

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Old 03-26-2009, 12:09 PM   #36 (permalink)
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But according to Snooch's "stats".. randolph probably has better offensive and defensive ratings that Bosh. His ratings are also probably higher than Lebron's and Wades. Heck, isnt Maxiel one of the best offensive players in the league Snooch?

Kobe hasn't done anything in the playoffs except for when he had Shaq (Shaq's 3-peat... also took Wade to a title.. although Wade has a finals MVP and Kobe has 0). And then later when he got another all-star in gasol... Kobe is playing under Phil Jackson... Bosh is playing under Triano.

You give Bosh one of the maybe 10 greatest players or another all-star and see what he can do. I'm not saying Bosh is as good as kobe.. but Kobe couldn't do ANYTHING in the playoffs without another all-star either.
Do you even read the stats I post?


Randolph is not above Bosh in either offensive rating or defensive rating or roland rating.

Randolph has a negative 1 for a net offensive defensive rating. In case you didnt understand that means its bad.

Kobe went to the finals last season without Shaq. And comparing a team in the playoffs in the west to a team in the east isnt a fair comparison. In the west a 50 win team might not make the playoffs, in the east a 50 win team will have home court advantage.

I really cant beleive you are trying to compare Bosh to Kobe. Thats is just a brutal, terrible comparison. Kobe wil go down as one of the best players in the history of the game.
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:16 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Randolph is not above Bosh in either offensive rating or defensive rating or roland rating.

Randolph has a negative 1 for a net offensive defensive rating. In case you didnt understand that means its bad.

Kobe went to the finals last season without Shaq. And comparing a team in the playoffs in the west to a team in the east isnt a fair comparison. In the west a 50 win team might not make the playoffs, in the east a 50 win team will have home court advantage.

I really cant beleive you are trying to compare Bosh to Kobe. Thats is just a brutal, terrible comparison. Kobe wil go down as one of the best players in the history of the game.
I was being sarcastic in my post about Randolph's stats. It's because you had Maxiel as 3rd rated offensive player and had everyone moved up or down to 36 mins per game which is ******ed. Ur stats were backed up only by a guy who says Wade is better than Jordan

Kobe went to the finals with Shaq. did nothing without shaq in the next few years.. and then got ANOTHER ALL-STAR in gasol to make the finals... HMMM 2 all-stars really makes the difference eh? ALL this time being coached by PHIL JACKSON!!! maybe the greatest coach of all time? How many times have you seen the Triano bashing on this site.. HMMM.. maybe coaching makes a difference too?

and if you read this "I'm not saying Bosh is as good as kobe.. but Kobe couldn't do ANYTHING in the playoffs without another all-star either" ... which is what i posted earlier... I'm not comparing Bosh to Kobe. But he can't do anything without another all-star either.

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I dont need anyone to back up my stats.

I dont make them up, there are available for anyone to see and they are what they are.

If you dont agree that 2 + 2 = 4 then you can argue it and fail your math test, makes no difference to me.
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I dont need anyone to back up my stats.

I dont make them up, there are available for anyone to see and they are what they are.

If you dont agree that 2 + 2 = 4 then you can argue it and fail your math test, makes no difference to me.
2+2=4 is most certainly not the same thing as using player x's per-36 minute stats compared to player y's as a definitive indicator of their abilities.

first, 2+2=4 is a priori truth, while the per-36 min comparison is, at best, a posteriori.

second, 2+2=4 is basic math while the other is statistics, which one can manipulate and from which one can draw conclusions and suggestions.

third, the hyperbole that you provide adds opinion to the discussion, which, of course, has no relevance in a math test.
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2+2=4 is most certainly not the same thing as using player x's per-36 minute stats compared to player y's as a definitive indicator of their abilities.

first, 2+2=4 is a priori truth, while the per-36 min comparison is, at best, a posteriori.

second, 2+2=4 is basic math while the other is statistics, which one can manipulate and from which one can draw conclusions and suggestions.

third, the hyperbole that you provide adds opinion to the discussion, which, of course, has no relevance in a math test.
Only person to definitively question the per 36 rankings, and support why he thinks they should be questioned......kudos.
Pace was not taken into consideration when those stats were compiled.


That said, Offensive rating and defensive rating is based on points scored and allowed per possession, not alot of room for "y"s. And one coud argue that the defenses that a player encounters plays into that, but the truth is that it makes very little difference in the overall outcome of the stat.

And the Roland rating is something I am not fond of at all, but I put it there for the sake of discussion.
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