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Old 03-26-2012, 05:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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1. Anthony Davis
2. MKG
3. Perry Jones(Reminds me of T-Mac)
4. And I guess Barnes, overrated.

I really like P3, but someone needs to light a fire under his ass tho.. Somuch talent but has Baron Davis/Vince atitude
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Not top 10, but maybe late lottery dark horse, look for DeShaun Thomas. He plays for Ohio State and maybe the most underrated scorer in college. He is averaging 22.5PPG in the tourney so far. If he has two more huge games people think he could be a late lottery pick.

A couple months ago and not many people were talking about Thomas leaving. Now a lot of Buckeye fans are scare he will be gone.

Thomas strengths are his mid range game. He is automatic there, knows how to get open, and knows how to score. He can shoot from the outsides also. Great offense rebounder, always finds way to get the ball and put it back in. He is an elite scorer in college.

He is 6'7 SF. Needs to improve his defense and lateral quickness for sure. But if you want a pure scorer, Thomas is the best at it.

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Funny how a player can get buried by the early season hype of others.

Wonder if T.O. can make a move for a 2nd pick.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Sullinger is not a C, so that wouldn't really be an issue. The guy is 6'9 and plays below the rim. He also struggles with bigger and more athletic defenders. That scares me enough to not touch him in the top 5. Undersized college big men that can't block shots struggle in the NBA. I'm not happy if I get Big baby or Blair in the top 5.
DX has him as a 5. I guess he's a 4/5, but I think his game translates well at the pro level. A lot better than some of the other prospects, and if we're going to get somebody more in the mold of Kevin Love, then I take that. He may not block shots, but rebounding usually translates well from College to the Pros, and he pulled down 9.3 a game this year, and 10.2 last year.

I like that he was projected possibly top 3 last year, but still decided to return to college to work on his game. He also blocked almost double the shots this year, than he did last year (not that that's saying much - from 20 -36), but it shows improvement, in less minutes.

I can see why some people don't like his game, or him as a prospect, as he doesn't have much flash, but I see him similar to Ed Davis - where his effect on the game isn't always seen in the boxscore.

EDIT - I also meant "C" in the "traditional sense", whereas Andrea would be out on the perimeter, and Sullinger could be cleaning up under the glass.

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From a Buckeye fan that has watched Sullinger game the past two years at tOSU and even in HS.

PF all the way. Not very athletic, but KNOWS how to use his body VERY WELL. Defense is bad though. Great rebounder, knows how to score down low. As pointed out though, his shot does get block more than other PF/C. Working on his outside game and has improved it greatly this past year. Very good FT shooter for a big guy.

I'm thinking a better Glen Davis. Solid pro

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Old 03-26-2012, 06:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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None of this years crop has jumped out at me yet to be honest. Drummond...meh, maybe, but if Bargnani was in that tourney hed be manhandling guys like that, so from an immediate contribution standpoint I'm not that blown away by him.

I was really hopin there would be a few bright lights at the PG/ SG positions, but so far nobody really stands out.

Le Sigh. Another year we suck, just as there is little to be excited about in the draft.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:23 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I can see why some people don't like his game, or him as a prospect, as he doesn't have much flash, but I see him similar to Ed Davis - where his effect on the game isn't always seen in the boxscore.
Ok, please don't tkae direct offence to this, but I am seeing more and more of these posts about how Ed Davis is affecting games with something other than his under achieving stats. How does he affect games, aside form contributing to the success of one of the saddest franchises in the league.

Honestly man, he is third on the depth chart at the 4, on a really bad team. Ed Davis is not good. Drafting another guy, just like him, is not good.
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Ok, please don't tkae direct offence to this, but I am seeing more and more of these posts about how Ed Davis is affecting games with something other than his under achieving stats. How does he affect games, aside form contributing to the success of one of the saddest franchises in the league.

Honestly man, he is third on the depth chart at the 4, on a really bad team. Ed Davis is not good. Drafting another guy, just like him, is not good.
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Ed's stats don't tell the story of his full game. He's the kind of player that does the dirty work, so that others can get the rebound. He sets really solid picks, allowing others to roll to the rim, and score the easy layup. His fundamentals are really good. He affects the game in ways like that. Watch just him, as opposed to the entire game, and you'll see some of the little things that he does.

Yes, he's a good player on a bad team (currently), but he'd have the same effect on a winning team.
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I like Sullinger and I think he'll become a David West type player in the nba. However, I don't think he'll be drafted by the raps. Anthony Davis is obvious # 1. Beal's value has skyrocketed and MKG is really good as well. Barnes and Lamb are ok. I do not want Perry Jones coming to Toronto, plus, he already plays for Minnesota :cookie:
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None taken, whatsoever...I can differentiate between somebody attacking an idea, or attacking a poster - big difference.

Ed's stats don't tell the story of his full game. He's the kind of player that does the dirty work, so that others can get the rebound. He sets really solid picks, allowing others to roll to the rim, and score the easy layup. His fundamentals are really good. He affects the game in ways like that. Watch just him, as opposed to the entire game, and you'll see some of the little things that he does.

Yes, he's a good player on a bad team (currently), but he'd have the same effect on a winning team.
Ok. I'll tune in and watch him tonight and try to be a bit more fair.

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Davis
Beal
Gilchrist
Drummond

Those are the guys I'm looking at with a top 8 pick
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Davis is the clear-cut #1 prospect. The kid's ceiling is limitless. He's still raw, though, as a prospect, but he'll be at worst a Marcus Camby-type player and possibly (and likely) much better offensively with his skill set.

MKG would be #2 on my list. Great all-around game and he's a terrific defender.

Beal would be #3. Great offensive player. I'm a bit worried about his size, as he might be shorter than the listed 6'4". Could be a Monta Ellis-type of player.

I think Barnes would be a good fit in Toronto. The club needs a shooter, and Barnes fits the bill.
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Davis, MKG, Beal for me too.

I only saw a couple of games by Drummond but he looked like the best player on the court for those games. JV and Drummond competing for minutes sounds good to me.

I'm not feeling optimistic about the draft though. Raps will end up with the 5 worst record, Bryan "Bad Luck" Colangelo will wind up with the 8th pick, Raps will draft another PF as the BPA and try to trade him for someone as equally underwhelming.

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barnes isn't the athlete williams is/was but he's a better shooter. generally i agree with you though.

1. davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
i'm afraid he will be a marvin williams, mainly in the fact that he will just be an above average player even though there is a lot of "hype" around him

i just want a good wingman for this team, haven't kept track of the draftees, but whichever wing has the best overall package of skills is who i want, i'm also disregarding davis because we're not going to be able to get him anyways
from the little i've seen of the ncaa tournament, MKG looks good, but i can't tell if a lot of it is the fact that he plays on a stacked team
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1. Anthony Davis - Game changer on D, burgeoning offensive stud.

2. Thomas Robinson - Athletic and strong NBA body. Solid back to bucket game, developing face up game (can stick a jumper and put the ball on the deck and finish with both hands).

3. Brad Beal - Potential to be a great shooter. Team player that plays hard and intelligently.
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Sullinger is not a C, so that wouldn't really be an issue. The guy is 6'9 and plays below the rim. He also struggles with bigger and more athletic defenders. That scares me enough to not touch him in the top 5. Undersized college big men that can't block shots struggle in the NBA. I'm not happy if I get Big baby or Blair in the top 5.
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Davis is a no-brainer, so I'll suggest my next three:

1. MKG
2. Beal
3. Robinson

I haven't seen enough of Drummond to make an informed assessment, but he seems like a dark horse pick to me.
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1) Anthony Davis, F, Kentucky. If the Raps land the top pick, the only choice is the "Uni-Blocker." He may not be a Kevin Durant game-changer but he looks destined to be an All-Star for years. 6-10 guys with 7-4 wingspans who consistently outwork opponents don't grow on trees. Add in his underrated face-up offensive game and of course, his ridiculous shot-blocking abilities and his addition to the Toronto Raptors, along with Jonas Valanciunas, would likely make coach Dwane Casey the happiest man in the world.

2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, F, Kentucky. MKG actually addresses a bigger need for Toronto than Davis, as he's a true NBA 3 who can even play some 4. He's got an NBA body and a very well-rounded set of skills at both ends of the court that should mean he's able to contribute right away. The knock on him is his offensive game but I think that's a bit overstated. He was 7 of 10 against Baylor yesterday, dominated Indiana offensively, and is a complete terror on the fast break. Oh, and did we mention he's one of the best defenders in college and has a motor that never stops? There might be some concerns about him replicating what James Johnson does but in my books, MKG has a much higher upside and dare I say it, could end up being a Paul Pierce type at the next level.

3) Bradley Beal, G, Florida. Beal's Gators collapsed down the stretch against Rick Pitino's Cardinals on Saturday night but that was due to point guard Erving Walker's shot-selection and decision making than anything Beal did. Beal didn't dominate the game, and did make some miscues late, but he looks like a stud at the next level thanks to his scoring and rebounding ability at the 2 spot. The knock on Beal is that at 6-3 he's undersized for the 2 spot but I'm not too concerned. First of all, he's got great length and an NBA frame despite his diminutive stature and second, he told SB Nation's Seth Pollack on the weekend that he had grown and was closer to 6-5 now. We'll see come combine time but for a Raptors' club desperately searching for a consistent option at the 2, Beal looks like the pick of the litter.

4) Thomas Robinson, F, Kansas. Robinson, likely a power forward at the next level, doesn't fit a positional need for Toronto. But in some ways, who cares. The Raptors simply need more talent and Robinson is one of the most talented players in the NCAA currently. Somewhat similar to Derrick Williams last season for Arizona, Robinson is a late-blooming 4 who can dominate inside and out. He's not without some flaws (is he too small to be a 4 in the NBA? is he talented enough to be a starter on a good team?) but considering his strength, athleticism and motor, I'm certain that whichever team drafts him will be extremely happy.

5) Harrison Barnes, F, UNC. For me, after these four, it gets shaky. I actually prefer certain prospects like Jared Sullinger and James McAdoo to Barnes, but this board is all about who I think Toronto will be looking at come late June, and that puts Barnes next on the list. To me Barnes is the hardest of the top picks to really project. There's no question the size and talent are there, but can he actually be an impact player in the NBA? He just seems so one-dimensional for a player of his talents, and his play in the NCAA tourney, especially on Sunday against Kansas, did nothing to ease my concern. Some have argued that Rudy Gay too could have been classified in this manner at UCONN but I disagree. Gay could always do a myriad of things, the question was more around if he would put in the consistent effort needed to improve at the next stage. Barnes doesn't rebound, defend, or dictate the flow of games the way you'd expect someone with his size and talents to do. Put it this way - if I'm Colangelo and I'm choosing between Barnes and say Sullinger or McAdoo, I'm going with one of the latter players.
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1. Anthony Davis
2. Harrison Barnes
3. MKG
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4. Lamb(wingspan)/Beal
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Yes, it's not like Love is one of the most unique players in NBA history or anything. Lets draft based on that.

At this point it looks like if we want Davis, MKG or Beal we need to win our way into the top 3. Otherwise we have to start looking at underwhelming you know what you're getting (Barnes, Sullinger, etc.) or cross our fingers and pray (PJ3, Drummond, etc.). Neither option very exciting.
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