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Old 08-08-2013, 01:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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interesting article on espn, ranking teams solely on their players under 25
we come 16th with the following comments:

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One of the absolute stars of Summer League this year was Valanciunas, who looked every bit the part of a player who was too good to be in Vegas. He was quietly productive in Toronto despite erratic minutes, but will be a major part of any Raptors success moving forward. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Ross struggled mightily in Vegas, looking tentative and unsure. He's got plenty of talent as an athletic shooting wing, but he needs to find his game if he's to develop any further. Ideally, Ross can look up to DeRozan, who similarly had a rocky start before finding his footing.
Ranking the bottom 15 teams based on under-25 talent - NBA - ESPN

for comparison, OKC, the #1 team has Players: Steven Adams (20), Kevin Durant (24), Serge Ibaka (23), Reggie Jackson (23), Grant Jerrett (20), Perry Jones III (21), Jeremy Lamb (21), Daniel Orton (23), Andre Roberson (21), Russell Westbrook (24)
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow didn't realize that OKC was that young!
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Westbrook and Durant are still 24? Yeesh...
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Westbrook and Durant are still 24? Yeesh...
that team will not win a championship imo
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that team will not win a championship imo
Not anymore, because they chose to extend Perkins long term over Harden

Sucks that so much talent was drafted by a small market team but couldn't be kept together. Imagine if we had their roster.
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that team will not win a championship imo
But Durant will no doubt.
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Not anymore, because they chose to extend Perkins long term over Harden

Sucks that so much talent was drafted by a small market team but couldn't be kept together. Imagine if we had their roster.
wasn't it ibaka over harden
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wasn't it ibaka over harden
Yeah.

Kevin Durant talked about this on Twitter a little while ago. It wasn't about choosing anyone over another player. He and Westbrook signed deals at a different time. Hindsight is 20/20, and Harden wasn't willing to take a hit to sign on.
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Why wouldn't okc just go over the tax? Just because they didn't want to spend extra? They'd be beast if he was still there.
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Westbrook and Durant are still 24? Yeesh...
There is still hope, DD is also 24
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Why wouldn't okc just go over the tax? Just because they didn't want to spend extra? They'd be beast if he was still there.
They didn't want to spend the money and no one really had a clue Harden would elevate his game to the level he did from the very start in Houston. If OKC had any idea what they had, I'm sure they would have done the S&T (I think previous to the start of the '13 season waas the last summer a team could do that under the old CBA) or at the very least held out for more #1 picksin his trade. Houston certainly won the lottery with Harden.

Can you f'n imagine if Harden exploded, or just started to before his trade from OKC and then went on the block? I would bet a $1000 that the Cavs would have traded both their picks from this past draft for Harden (including their #1 overall). Irving/Harden/Gee/Thompson/Bynum to start. I would even keep Waiters as a 6th man a la Harden himself did. Have Waiters/Jack/Varajao off the bench? Or do much like Houston did and slide Harden to the SF spot and field a team of Irving/Waiters/Harden/Thompson/Bynum with JJ/Varajo off the bench. Really glad Harden exploded AFTER going to Houston.
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can you imagine if okc had done westbrook for rondo!? that's the "what if?" in this scenario! They could've afforded to keep harden then.

rondo, harden, durant, ibaka, anybody. wowza.

i think i'm with jeffB, okc may struggle to win one. Westbrook will let them down in the playoffs, IQ and personality aren't up to scratch. Although he is improving and durant is just incredible, so they could battle their way to one.
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They still have good chances imo. If Lebron leaves Heat, Spurs are aging fast, OKC, Pacers and Houston will be main contenders (assuming Lebron is not going to another super team). OKC should get better because they are so damn young
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can you imagine if okc had done westbrook for rondo!? that's the "what if?" in this scenario! They could've afforded to keep harden then.

rondo, harden, durant, ibaka, anybody. wowza.

i think i'm with jeffB, okc may struggle to win one. Westbrook will let them down in the playoffs, IQ and personality aren't up to scratch. Although he is improving and durant is just incredible, so they could battle their way to one.
I agree. I'm not the biggest fan of Westbrooks out of control style, he tends to occasionally go cold at the wrong time, or have streaks of bad selfish play several times in the season. As most know I think Rondo is fantastic, definitely #2 and I know this isn't popular, right up there with CP3. I forgot about the Westbrook for Rondo rumor....I would think that if OKC knew what level of player Harden was that trade goes down and OKC dominates.

Instead I concur with you and Jeffb, OKC will struggle mightily without Harden and will be lucky to go to the Finals again with just RW and KD; and if they did somehow make it, they just won't beat the Heat (or the one that takes them out, though if Oden is healthy I doubt anyone will....). Harden carried that team himself at times 2 years ago when they made the finals - don't see OKC getting another player like that to replace him.
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