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Old 11-27-2009, 04:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I tell Triano to give Jose plenty of shots in an attempt to boost his trade value. When Jose fails, I give Banks some burn, since he can supposedly play some D.
So what do u do with Jack ??? put him in street clothes ???? Calderon is not the problem he is just a part as is the rest of the players on the team.

We should be really looking at eliminating the Jose and Jack combo on the floor. They both suck on d when they both play together. I actually think that Jose is even better then Jack playing d but thats not saying much. If there is something that I hate about Triano and his stragety its that, but then it could have been a requirement for Jack coming here. Jack should only be our back up at the 1. Give DD and Beli the rest at the 2. Wright is shit and he would be the third guy at that 2.We should give Weems some more burn at the 3 backing up Hedo. When Jack and Jose and Hedo are on at the same time we are really slow on d. Just making that simple adjustment will help us big time without throwing the rest out of sync.
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Its actually an interesting topic as to how to improve this team. Regardless of a team's weaknesses, it must be kept in mind that if the team is going to improve (on paper) that someone has to go for a new guy to come in.

Jose's current play is hurting us but I'm skeptical that we will be able to find a better PG. Assuming he returns to his former self there aren't many PG that would do a better job despite his defensive shortcomings. There aren't too many lockdown defense PG in the league so that's not getting fixed.

Bringing in a key SG would effectively derail the DeRozan project so I don't see that happening either.

BC just pulled the whole Hedo thing, again I don't see him reversing that move, so a big change at SF probably isn't in the cards either, as much as a Marion/G. Wallace/Joe Johnson type would be appreciated.

Regardless of your opinion on Bosh, any series of events that result in him leaving will result in a downgrade at the PF spot.

Pulling the trigger on Bargs seems premature as well since, at least at the start of the year, he was settling in as a 20-7 guy.

I'm not really sure how many good moves there are for the Raptors to make in regard to the starting lineup, its a pretty difficult situation.
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:59 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well, 22-19 is actually an ideal record, but it depends on too much whether you trade Bosh or not. First off, is he content with the way he's playing? Are there injuries? Personally I think Bosh should have been traded already because the formula doesn't seem to be working. If Bosh was traded for Deng, Johnson (James), and Noah we could be a completely different team. Imagine!

Jose
DeRozan
Turk
Bargnani
Noah

6th Deng
7th Jack
8th Belinelli
9th Wright
10th Amir
11th Rasho
12th Johnson
13th Wright

That's a deep team with balanced scoring. Let's be honest, Deng and Bosh are both jump shooters who can draw fouls...Bosh is more polished, but overall you can see similarities.
Who is the other 13thWright? & how could you bench Deng?

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Old 11-27-2009, 05:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Who is the other 13thWright? & how could you bench Deng?
Not to mention that roster has no bona fide star. Can anyone name a team that's gone anywhere without a single all-star level player? Getting rid of Bosh is ludicrous unless he's replaced with a player of equal calibur, not just a few above average players.
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Old 11-27-2009, 05:10 PM   #25 (permalink)
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True dat!!

I would do this trade in a second:

Bosh, Jose, Bankc & POB for Paul, Okafor & Mo Peterson

& it works on NBA Trade machine.

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Old 11-27-2009, 06:02 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Gortat?

$6.8m/yr for 4ppg and 4-5rpg ? At that rate Orlando might be offering Amir Johnson max money next year.

No thanks. I'd rather have anonymous scrub who will post the same numbers for league minimum. See Pops Mensah-Bonsu for more details.
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:34 PM   #27 (permalink)
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If we were at 22-19 I would keep everything satus quo and if we could get better with a minor deal I would do that. I'd hear out deals for anyone though
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:44 PM   #28 (permalink)
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22-19? I'd do nothing. 19-22 on the other hand....
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:23 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Gortat?

$6.8m/yr for 4ppg and 4-5rpg ? At that rate Orlando might be offering Amir Johnson max money next year.

No thanks. I'd rather have anonymous scrub who will post the same numbers for league minimum. See Pops Mensah-Bonsu for more details.
Gortat's per game averages are low because he doesn't play a lot. The guy is a decent player who other teams want. That's the main reason I said I would be okay with a Rashard + Gortat package if Rashard's contract was lower. If Rashard had a more modest salary, the Raps could flip him for a shooting guard. Gortat could easily be flipped for something. Dallas wanted to start him for fuck's sake. If Bosh is traded, the Raps may not keep whatever it is they get in return. Most likely, BC will be concerned with getting value in return. That value may come in the form of a type of player we already have, so to improve the team further trades will have to be made. Next summer could end up being another game of musical chairs with a lot of turnover in the Raps roster, just like what occured this past summer.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:11 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Not that I think a trade would be a good idea but if you did you must look at Bosh .
If you trade Bosh it must be to a team who is looking at getting one of the big free agents at the end of the year or a team of championship quality needing the final piece.
So you are looking at NY, NJ, Miami as the wanting the free-agents. Orlando, Cleveland, Atlanta,Dallas,Portland trying to go to the top.

Cleveland has nothing that the Raptors need.
Orlando has a possible Gortat, Williams, Carter for Bosh & Jose it should work financially
and allow Brags to play PF. Yes Gotats stats not great but he is playing behind Howard, Vince love him or hate him is a good/great shooting guard.
NY not alot but guess Lee,Gallinari and Milicic for Bosh not really appealing
NY not likely would need all there young studs
Miami don't see it they would like to deal but nothing for us.
Dallas not likely
Atlanta Horford would be nice but rest of package for Bosh?????
Portland Oden,Outlaw???? Bosh not likely from Toronto
The best would be Orlando
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Shards contract is expiring at 2012 ( if not , Mayas will do their jobs). If this line up works, we can offer modest contract to him 2 years later. If not front desk would be free to choose another way to improve the roster.

PS: Lewis cant be flipped to sg. He can back up to Hedo if it's needed in future.

Btw, As long as i remember Houston offered their MLE's to Gortah for Yao's place, not Dallas.
When I said "flip" Rashard for a shooting guard, I meant trade him to another team, not switch him to that position.

Gortat was signed to an offer sheet by Dallas. Houston may have been interested too, but Dallas got his signature on an offer.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:08 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:18 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:13 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Andrea needs to go he's a bigger liability than anything. Maybe trade him for Samuel Dalembert, I heard philly wants to trade him. Jose I think is an effective shooting guard, Jarret would be a better point guard. Bosh has shown he can score but taking up all the slack for rebounding and defending the center, (something a center should be doing) is taking its toll and he's already gassed. We need a leader for this team to, idk maybe get Iverson for one season see if it works. He can be the sg with responsibilities for defending oppsing point guards.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I'm also curious what we would need to trade for Antawn Jamison, if they'll take Andrea and some draft picks I think that would be fair. Jamison can bring skill and leadership, I think there's some serious problems for the Wizards, maybe we can get Jamison or Butler.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:27 PM   #36 (permalink)
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agreed with the do nothing at that point. If we are 22-19, then things are starting to turn, Reggie is in, the defense is better, and the 9 new players are staring to understand each other. The only reason you tinker at this point is if Bosh gives you some indication that he is leaving.
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Replace a few finesse guys for gritty tough guys. Get any hard working player on the Rockets, those guys play great basketball.
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:43 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Bargnani for Jeff Green

Play out the rest of the season with

Calderon/Jack
Derozan/Bellinelli
Turkoglu/Green
Bosh/Green/Evans
Rasho/Johnson

I know it's not ideal to have one of our young stars come off the bench but he'd be a top notch sixth man and would still get his 30 minutes. I think the above team comes together and makes the playoffs
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:29 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:33 PM   #40 (permalink)
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At 22-19 no one would do anything.

But based on Jay Triano's line-up decisions to-date.
The GM should replace the coach for tossing way games.
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