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Old 08-01-2010, 12:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wojnarowski talks about the Raps at 3:10.

Mentions that Colangelo knew for a year Bosh was leaving, but did nothing. Also adds that the Raps are no better than when Colangelo first took over and that he's been given a free pass on a lot of things.

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Old 08-01-2010, 12:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wojnarowski talks about the Raps at 3:10.

Mentions that Colangelo knew for a year Bosh was leaving, but did nothing. Also adds that the Raps are no better than when Colangelo first took over and that he's been given a free pass on a lot of things.

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Doesn't make sense. Bosh goes on about how didn't decide to leave Toronto until later. I think Bosh knew he was gonna leave Toronto when we didn't make the playoffs. We were a lock for the playoffs at the trade deadline so why Colangelo trade him then? What if we went deep into the playoffs? That's a pile of crap to assume 100 Percent that Bosh would walk if we made it deeper into the playoffs and say Lebron went on to win the title.

And no the Raptors are much better off than Babcock days. We're not a bottom 3 of the league lottery team. We have much better youth players. Cap flexibility. And we still made it to the playoffs under Colangelo, something babcock can't say
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Old 08-01-2010, 02:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Even if BC traded Bosh last year, everyone would still be criticizing him
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Old 08-01-2010, 02:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I actually prefer what we got, its cap relief so we can sign whoever we want in next years free agency and draft picks

if we traded Bosh at the deadline the most we would have gotten from Cleveland was a JJ Hickson, I just can see many teams giving us something of value considering at the deadline we were in the playoffs and most fans and BC probably wanted playoffs instead and deal with it in the summer which he said numerous times

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Old 08-01-2010, 06:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I actually prefer what we got, its cap relief so we can sign whoever we want in next years free agency and draft picks

if we traded Bosh at the deadline the most we would have gotten from Cleveland was a JJ Hickson, I just can see many teams giving us something of value considering at the deadline we were in the playoffs and most fans and BC probably wanted playoffs instead and deal with it in the summer which he said numerous times
I agree getting the TPE and 2 draft picks ours back and Miami's 1st 2011 was better than getting scrub players. While I will blame BC for giving away picks so easily.

Toronto has a nice young core of players in Bargs, DD, Weems. Amir. Davis Dorsey and Albai.

We have expirings in Evan, Banks, Beli

We have 2 new solid players in Barbosa and Klieza

We do have the 4 player bottle log at PG Jose, JJ, Banks & Barbosa and I would like to sign Brown just to see how really good he is?
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knew for a year my ass!

Cleveland should have went after Richard Jefferson?? Why?

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Old 08-01-2010, 08:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Interesting perspective from Woj, but we've heard this before.
I think the Raptors are better off, especially if we can develop a stable front office and make BC our long-term GM. We need stability and security on the mgnt side, and a clear direction on the court.
I believe BC will learn from his mistakes, but MLSE will need to change their approach and make a long-term commitment to BC. Then it will be clear that the revolving door stops and players can feel comfortable about the Raptors front office.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:53 AM   #8 (permalink)
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how exactly are we better off with the picks and the tpe? you guys do realize that all can equate to nothing, right?

you guys are in such denial.

it sucks that BC didn't trade him earlier and it definitely sucks that we couldn't accommodate a S&T with a team like houston, but please stop trying to convince yourselves that we're walking out of this on top.
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how exactly are we better off with the picks and the tpe? you guys do realize that all can equate to nothing, right?

you guys are in such denial.

it sucks that BC didn't trade him earlier and it definitely sucks that we couldn't accommodate a S&T with a team like houston, but please stop trying to convince yourselves that we're walking out of this on top.

Anytime picks are mentioned here everyones eyes light up, it is what it is.
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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how exactly are we better off with the picks and the tpe? you guys do realize that all can equate to nothing, right?

you guys are in such denial.

it sucks that BC didn't trade him earlier and it definitely sucks that we couldn't accommodate a S&T with a team like houston , but please stop trying to convince yourselves that we're walking out of this on top.
1) Trade him when we were a shoe in for the playoffs? Yah let's trade our best player while we have a playoff spot? Also do you think another team would offer good value when Bosh indicated he would test free agency? So Houston gives us Brooks and Scola...and then Bosh leaves houston for miami in the off season. See No team would make a good trade for Bosh at the trade deadline.

2) It sucks that "WE" couldn't accommodate him in a S and T to Houston? Bosh agreed to leave to Miami without a S and T. We were lucky enough to get a S and T done for Bosh at the last minute. Bosh, Lebron and Wade all took 15 million paycuts. We had no hope of him going to Houston and there was nothing we could've done about it.

3) Article never compares this season to last. He's talking about the year Babcock was let go. If you think we're somehow worse off than Babcock's years...then wow.
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1) Trade him when we were a shoe in for the playoffs? Yah let's trade our best player while we have a playoff spot? Also do you think another team would offer good value when Bosh indicated he would test free agency? So Houston gives us Brooks and Scola...and then Bosh leaves houston for miami in the off season. See No team would make a good trade for Bosh at the trade deadline.

2) It sucks that "WE" couldn't accommodate him in a S and T to Houston? Bosh agreed to leave to Miami without a S and T. We were lucky enough to get a S and T done for Bosh at the last minute. Bosh, Lebron and Wade all took 15 million paycuts. We had no hope of him going to Houston and there was nothing we could've done about it.

3) Article never compares this season to last. He's talking about the year Babcock was let go. If you think we're somehow worse off than Babcock's years...then wow.
great job convincing yourself!
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:01 AM   #12 (permalink)
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great job convincing yourself!
Am I saying that we're a contender?

I just don't like people spewing off stuff that makes no sense and is blatantly wrong.
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:13 AM   #13 (permalink)
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what makes no sense about what i said? and how exactly is it blatantly wrong? pretty sure you read it wrong.

anyways

if BC knew Bosh was leaving, the only reason he cannot be held accountable for how things turned out would be MLSE pressing for play-off revenue, otherwise he wears it. everyone and their mom knows that you're not going to get value on a S&T.
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BC obviously has to take flack for the Bosh situation. I'm not a fan of calling out your former players, although I do believe that some of his comments were warranted. While the return on Bosh (not a single player, the Raps 2011 pick, the Heat's very low 2011 and TPE) isn't good value.

But in the circumstance that he was in, he did get something, while a GM of Babcock's talents would have been left standing with an empty glass, or a fat contract.

In total, BC failed at making Bosh the centerpiece of a franchise. And there really isn't an excuse for him. If he knew that CB wasn't a number 1 option, than he should have traded him after the JO experiment. BC believed he could construct around Bosh and in failing to do so, he does deserve criticism.

Although I can't think of another GM i would prefer to have to draft young talent for the Raps. And I think it is apparent that BC is better suited at building a team via the draft (thanks to his sparkling draft record) than constructing one around Bosh, and that's why I have no interest in seeing him fired.

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what makes no sense about what i said? and how exactly is it blatantly wrong? pretty sure you read it wrong.

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if BC knew Bosh was leaving, the only reason he cannot be held accountable for how things turned out would be MLSE pressing for play-off revenue, otherwise he wears it. everyone and their mom knows that you're not going to get value on a S&T.
Ok, I will play along. Suppose BC knew that Bosh was leaving last summer - do you also suppose other GMs didn't? And if they did, how in he'll would he have gotten anything of value back for an essential one year rental? Or do you also presume we could have traded him to Miami while getting a better deal with them?

Gimme a scenario, please...
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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what makes no sense about what i said? and how exactly is it blatantly wrong? pretty sure you read it wrong.

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if BC knew Bosh was leaving, the only reason he cannot be held accountable for how things turned out would be MLSE pressing for play-off revenue, otherwise he wears it. everyone and their mom knows that you're not going to get value on a S&T.
BC could not have traded Bosh at the trade deadline last season without getting fired.
Are you seriously believing that Bosh was completely gone when they were trying to get 4th in the east?
If Toronto finishes 4th/5th then advances to the 2nd round and LeBron wins a title (or at least makes another finals appearance) the Miami thing doesn't happen.
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chicago gave away hinrich and their first for capspace. they were our ideal trading partners willing to risk Bosh to free agency. imo he would have re-signed.
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BC could not have traded Bosh at the trade deadline last season without getting fired.
smart people would have realized that he was traded because he told BC that he wasn't re-signing.
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chicago gave away hinrich and their first for capspace. they were our ideal trading partners willing to risk Bosh to free agency. imo he would have re-signed.
So, you are assuming that Bosh knew he was gone, but didn't know he was going to Miami? I am not buying.

This is how I see it:

1. All three "colluders" knew where they are going to end up last summer, most definitely by the ASB.

2. As a result, Bosh would have refused to talk about extension with his new team, which in turn made getting anything of value back for him highly problematic.

3. Why would he have re-signed in Chicago if he didn't go there this summer?

Your arguments don't make much sense...
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:45 AM   #20 (permalink)
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smart people would have realized that he was traded because he told BC that he wasn't re-signing.
But he didn`t tell him that...did he??
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