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Raptors1995 · 12-21-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Obviously they wouldn't send out all three. lol

Lakers: Calderon, Bargnani

Minnesota: Gasol

Toronto: Love, Ridnour

Would welcome the trade for sure as a raps fan, but it's not happening. Love's not going anywhere yet, let alone for those pieces. However, I'd wait it out for a three team trade with Minny and the Lakers. Who knows we might get Pekovic/Williams. But these trades are complicated and we still have a lot of hurdles ahead of us. We have to wait to see how Gasol and Nash play together. Pekovic is playing some really great basketball, so who knows if Khan is as inclined to move him as before. We have to make sure the interest is still there for all parties included. The best thing for us to do is be patient. Those assets from Minny are very intriguing. It's a lot better than settling for Emeka Okafor which I think is definitely not the way to go unless we get a pick which is upper lottery bound. If the right deal doesn't come along, stand pat.

Raptors1995 · 12-21-2012, 01:49 AM

If I were BC, I would try to re-sign Ed Davis to a contract extension in the offseason. If he continues to play well, knowing BC, he might offer him Taj Gibson type money which is 9 million per year. We can't afford to be throwing those types of contracts at potential when we really have no established/proven player to build around yet.

Superjudge · 12-21-2012, 02:04 AM

oh yes, toronto trades Bargs and calderon, two guys you all hate, for the best rebounder in basketball, and a dream teamer.... fuck yeah

Mobat · 12-21-2012, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Obviously they wouldn't send out all three. lol

Lakers: Calderon, Bargnani

Minnesota: Gasol

Toronto: Love, Ridnour

Lay off the crack pipe

moujik · 12-21-2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu

Gasol would play centre and Ed Davis would start at PF. Watch what you wish for because Davis is playing better than anyone and he's not going to the bench. It's laughable how many people in this forum keep either wanting Davis on the bench or propose trades with him involved.

Please, it's ridiculous, we don't need Gasol! I wouldn't break the front court rotation of Ed, Amir and Jonas, that's who we are now.
If Bargnani can't catch anything, amnesty him! Or give him to a fitness trainer!

We are waiting for a good SF, but if there's no one available at the moment, we use what we have Pietrus, Anderson, Kleiza*, DeRozan (when TRoss is SG) and it shouldn't mean we wait to get rid of the cancer that is Bargnani.

*Kleiza has become too chubby himself for a SF, and has been late on rotations, though not for the lack of effort.

TRoss stays, why would you give up an amazing prospect to sweeten the deal to get rid of someone?

TORaptor4Ever · 12-21-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik

Please, it's ridiculous, we don't need Gasol! I wouldn't break the front court rotation of Ed, Amir and Jonas, that's who we are now.
If Bargnani can't catch anything, amnesty him! Or give him to a fitness trainer!

We are waiting for a good SF, but if there's no one available at the moment, we use what we have Pietrus, Anderson, Kleiza*, DeRozan (when TRoss is SG) and it shouldn't mean we wait to get rid of the cancer that is Bargnani.

*Kleiza has become too chubby himself for a SF, and has been late on rotations, though not for the lack of effort.

TRoss stays, why would you give up an amazing prospect to sweeten the deal to get rid of someone?

Don't be confused by a couple of wins..... this team still needs to get better if it's going to become a playoff team.

Pau is better than any big man on our roster. By FAR. And we need a reliable post presence. If you have a chance to get him you do it.

moujik · 12-21-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

Don't be confused by a couple of wins..... this team still needs to get better if it's going to become a playoff team.

Pau is better than any big man on our roster. By FAR. And we need a reliable post presence. If you have a chance to get him you do it.

Pau is a soft touch and now he's injured. Do you think he'll put more effort for Toronto than for Lakers under the gaze of Kobe?
It's not about wins, it's about drastic improvement! I can SEE them getting better and better. Do you really wanna see our big men looking at each other wondering who should've covered the basket? Again?
Fuck that shit!

Luckedout · 12-21-2012, 04:26 PM

hahaha at toronto getting kevin love

DocHoliday99 · 12-21-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik

Pau is a soft touch and now he's injured. Do you think he'll put more effort for Toronto than for Lakers under the gaze of Kobe?
It's not about wins, it's about drastic improvement! I can SEE them getting better and better. Do you really wanna see our big men looking at each other wondering who should've covered the basket? Again?
Fuck that shit!

C,mon, give Pau some fucking credit, he was long successful BEFORE he played with Kobe. Fuck Kobe (no offense clutch) but Pau was an All-star and winning multiple awards long before playing in LA. IF Pau comes here he plays the 5 on offense (an in/out game) and the 4 on defense, let the offense flow through Pau as it should be in LA and the defense can be anchored by JV - it would create mismatches and issues for other teams. I also think with Pau KL will be much more effective (as Pau can create for himself or set-up others). Thinking about it, I'm really starting to warm to the idea. The Raps need to start winning and consistently if the team has any hope of attracting FA's.

moujik · 12-21-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

C,mon, give Pau some fucking credit, he was long successful BEFORE he played with Kobe. Fuck Kobe (no offense clutch) but Pau was an All-star and winning multiple awards long before playing in LA. IF Pau comes here he plays the 5 on offense (an in/out game) and the 4 on defense, let the offense flow through Pau as it should be in LA and the defense can be anchored by JV - it would create mismatches and issues for other teams. I also think with Pau KL will be much more effective (as Pau can create for himself or set-up others). Thinking about it, I'm really starting to warm to the idea. The Raps need to start winning and consistently if the team has any hope of attracting FA's.

hm.. Vince Carter could put his nuts through the hoop...

we're winning now.

Fantasies. Imagine we had Pau and Nash! Wait even with Kobe and Dwight they're shit.
We have been shit, thanks to a shitheel, but now we're getting better as a result of Ed, Amir, Val front court rotation.

DocHoliday99 · 12-21-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik

hm.. Vince Carter could put his nuts through the hoop...

we're winning now.

Fantasies. Imagine we had Pau and Nash! Wait even with Kobe and Dwight they're shit.
We have been shit, thanks to a shitheel, but now we're getting better as a result of Ed, Amir, Val front court rotation.

You're acting like a boob, seriously, you're getting carried away with the Raps beating a few subpar teams and in some cases shitty teams. That first stretch on the road was brutal for everyone as the teams the Raps faced were mostly top level teams - now at home they win a few games against so-so to shitty teams and this place goes nuts.

LKeet6 · 12-21-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

C,mon, give Pau some fucking credit, he was long successful BEFORE he played with Kobe. Fuck Kobe (no offense clutch) but Pau was an All-star and winning multiple awards long before playing in LA. IF Pau comes here he plays the 5 on offense (an in/out game) and the 4 on defense, let the offense flow through Pau as it should be in LA and the defense can be anchored by JV - it would create mismatches and issues for other teams. I also think with Pau KL will be much more effective (as Pau can create for himself or set-up others). Thinking about it, I'm really starting to warm to the idea. The Raps need to start winning and consistently if the team has any hope of attracting FA's.

great post.

don't particularly want pau, think it's a risk, but particularly agree with the bolded part.

DocHoliday99 · 12-21-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LKeet6

great post.

don't particularly want pau, think it's a risk, but particularly agree with the bolded part.

Thanks LKeet6.

I'm on the fence still about Pau, I'm certainly warming to the idea though. Maybe the team just needs to bite the bullet and sign someone like Pau and start winning - would be a lot easier to attract higher level FA's....

Dario · 12-21-2012, 06:03 PM

Paus not leaving LA, if Kobe wants him there, he's not going anywhere.

DocHoliday99 · 12-21-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dario

Paus not leaving LA, if Kobe wants him there, he's not going anywhere.

Hopefully Kobe's learned to shut his mouth in public and say he loves Pau - as that's what a team mate should do. Privately? Who knows.

All I know (or believe) is Amare and Pau are not going anywhere until their respective teams can determine if they can be integrated successfully.

TORaptor4Ever · 12-22-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99

C,mon, give Pau some fucking credit, he was long successful BEFORE he played with Kobe. Fuck Kobe (no offense clutch) but Pau was an All-star and winning multiple awards long before playing in LA. IF Pau comes here he plays the 5 on offense (an in/out game) and the 4 on defense, let the offense flow through Pau as it should be in LA and the defense can be anchored by JV - it would create mismatches and issues for other teams. I also think with Pau KL will be much more effective (as Pau can create for himself or set-up others). Thinking about it, I'm really starting to warm to the idea. The Raps need to start winning and consistently if the team has any hope of attracting FA's.

This. ^^^

Pau isn't injured anymore.... he started last time the Lakers played. He's been struggling this season because Kobe won't pass the damn ball.

If he was avging 20 & 10 why the hell would L.A. even CONSIDER trading him?

This is what you do as a savvy GM... you find good players who are in bad situations and acquire them while getting rid of players that YOU don't need.

Pau plays both ends and he brings championship experience. He's also good enough to create his own shot and is a legit post presence. He's also a good dude and a team player.

It's an ideal fit.

MikeToronto · 12-22-2012, 01:12 AM

If we could get Pau without giving up Jose, we'd have two long-time teammates playing together - huge benefit, obviously.

But in the big scheme of things, while being an upgrade over Bargs, Pau wouldn't turn us into a contender either. The team would be more fun to watch, so there is that...

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu · 12-22-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever

Don't be confused by a couple of wins..... this team still needs to get better if it's going to become a playoff team.

Pau is better than any big man on our roster. By FAR. And we need a reliable post presence. If you have a chance to get him you do it.

Lmao... so you would rather hvae Gsaol at 19 million then Ed Davis at 3 million. You must be high.

Revolve · 12-22-2012, 02:26 AM

I understand it's only a matter of time, but I really don't want to lose Calderon.

MBailey85 · 12-22-2012, 07:51 AM

Toronto Out: Bargnani
Toronto In: Chandler, Mozgov

Denver Out: Chandler,Mozgov,Fournier
Denver In: Henderson,Thomas

Charlotte Out: Thomas,Henderson
Charlotte In: Bargnani,Fournier

Approved On NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

Recap: Raps get 2 players for Bargs(a SF and an expiring big). Denver gets some additional bench scoring in Henderson. Charlotte gets a good scoring big and young SG prospect in exchange for an expiring and bad contract.

12-21-2012, 01:49 AM	#42 (permalink)
Raptors1995 it's time to empty the trash Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,025 Representing:	If I were BC, I would try to re-sign Ed Davis to a contract extension in the offseason. If he continues to play well, knowing BC, he might offer him Taj Gibson type money which is 9 million per year. We can't afford to be throwing those types of contracts at potential when we really have no established/proven player to build around yet. Last edited by Raptors1995; 12-21-2012 at 01:52 AM.

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12-21-2012, 02:04 AM	#43 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,592 Representing:	oh yes, toronto trades Bargs and calderon, two guys you all hate, for the best rebounder in basketball, and a dream teamer.... fuck yeah

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Luckedout is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Canadia Posts: 634 Representing:	hahaha at toronto getting kevin love

12-21-2012, 06:03 PM	#54 (permalink)
Dario Keep it simple Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vancouver Posts: 9,592 Representing:	Paus not leaving LA, if Kobe wants him there, he's not going anywhere.

12-22-2012, 01:12 AM	#57 (permalink)
MikeToronto Gam zeh ya'avor The Gatekeeper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,018 Representing:	If we could get Pau without giving up Jose, we'd have two long-time teammates playing together - huge benefit, obviously. But in the big scheme of things, while being an upgrade over Bargs, Pau wouldn't turn us into a contender either. The team would be more fun to watch, so there is that...

12-22-2012, 02:26 AM	#59 (permalink)
Revolve "She always did enjoy a good squeeze" Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 779 Representing:	I understand it's only a matter of time, but I really don't want to lose Calderon.

12-22-2012, 07:51 AM	#60 (permalink)
MBailey85 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Toronto,Ontario Posts: 2,401 Representing:	Toronto Out: Bargnani Toronto In: Chandler, Mozgov Denver Out: Chandler,Mozgov,Fournier Denver In: Henderson,Thomas Charlotte Out: Thomas,Henderson Charlotte In: Bargnani,Fournier Approved On NBA Trade Machine - ESPN Recap: Raps get 2 players for Bargs(a SF and an expiring big). Denver gets some additional bench scoring in Henderson. Charlotte gets a good scoring big and young SG prospect in exchange for an expiring and bad contract.