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Old 12-02-2009, 10:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WTF? Am i missing something here?

Seriously, there is talent on this team. Quite a bit in fact, and this team is better then this on the defensive end. Is it chemistry, coaching, awful schedule, 9 new players. Is it talent that just doesn't mesh at all?

I look at this roster and think, this team is so much better then last season. Much tougher then last season and imo should be better defensively then last season.

Talent wise this is what i believe are pretty significant upgrades:

Jack>Ukic

Wright>Graham

Belinelli> Krapono

Amir> Hump

Evans>Voskhul (too bad he's hurt)


Lets face it, this is a farelly talented team but something is amiss. Can anyone seriously look at this roster and think that we aren't quite a bit better especially in the depth department. The only position where i would say we're a little weaker is the starting SG spot but that's because Derozan is a rookie. Not only that the players that were here last season are struggling.

This team simply put, is under performing big time and there is a reason, but really.. what is it. Because guys like Wright, Jack, should be, and have been better on the defensive end then this on other teams. Are they being put in the best situation to succeed? I still think this season is far from over, but starting next week when the schedule eases a bit things better get turned around and in a hurry, otherwise we could be fucked before we crack open the egg nog.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Amir being better than Hump is debatable and Wright has been disappointing, but yeah man, this team is underachieving IMO.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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confidence, chemnistry (perhaps temporarily and coach related)
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Seriously, there is talent on this team. Quite a bit in fact, and this team is better then this on the defensive end. Is it chemistry, coaching, awful schedule, 9 new players. Is it talent that just doesn't mesh at all?


Actually to be honest, it is none of that...
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Amir being better than Hump is debatable and Wright has been disappointing, but yeah man, this team is underachieving IMO.
Amir imo is better then Hump because he plays within himself, Wright on the other hand is way better then he's playing and is an upgrade but he's sucked. Overall this team should be a shit load better then this.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well, Hedo = Bargs + Calderon
Calderon regressed offensively and defensively (he was a terrible defender to begin with)
Bargs is dropping 17 a night- not enough
Derozan will never be Carter and doesnt appear to be nearly as athletic as Iggy
Bosh is doing well- clearly not enough support

I wouldnt really blame it on the coach, you never really can. But hearing Jay blame losses on practices and double-headers makes me think twice.

Jay's hope of being a top 6 defensive team is a complete joke now.
We need to find a balance between D and O, which, in general, is the main issue.
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It just doesn't mesh together on the defensive end. Think about it 3 guys in our starting line up (jose,bosh,bargs) were here last year. They are the main core guys. You put in Turkoglu (marion>turkoglu on defence) there who is offensive minded with a rookie your gonna get even worse defence from last year.

The bench has improved but still not significantly from the defensive stand point.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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oh but dont worry guys we have 9 new players and its ONLY been 20 games!!!
hahaha!
Or just wait till December 21st, then things will get better, because the Raptors need a full practice and some rest!
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I wouldnt really blame it on the coach, you never really can. But hearing Jay blame losses on practices and double-headers makes me think twice.

See i think it has alot to do with coaching, those excuses you mentioned and a few others, mainly telling everyone that they haven't practiced zone so they can't use it much. The fact is Triano looks more lost then the players and is in way over his head. The players just look like they aren't playing hard for him, and that says something is wrong there in the relationship between coach and players. i don't find he's connected with his players at all. Like someone said here yesterday, he seems like a bland teacher with no charisma and little to no personality.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah i read a quote somewhere in which Jay states "come on guys just make your shots you can do it" (correct me if im wrong)
If those words or anythig similar came out of Jays mouth... I have no hope.
My highschool coach used to say trash like that.
If anything he should be drawing up a play, that gets a raptor to the FT line
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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oh but dont worry guys we have 9 new players and its ONLY been 20 games!!!
hahaha!
Or just wait till December 21st, then things will get better, because the Raptors need a full practice and some rest!





Hey yeah listen to your doctor and the government and you will be on the right track. Keep good hygene and get all your vaccines and you should be healthy. The Raptors are just on a slump right now, but don't worry next week will be nice and sunny and the team can enjoy a few days on the beach in the nice warm weather. but don't forget to put on your sunscreen don't want to get sun burnt! oh, and don't forget your vaccines, please!

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I wouldnt really blame it on the coach, you never really can. But hearing Jay blame losses on practices and double-headers makes me think twice.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! How can't you blame coaches. Even players in tonight post games said that they are not buying into Jay's D system! Gotta wake up BC! You put a team, you coach now like NO Hornets an NJ Nets GMs!
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! How can't you blame coaches. Even players in tonight post games said that they are not buying into Jay's D system! Gotta wake up BC! You put a team, you coach now like NO Hornets an NJ Nets GMs!
Which player(s) said that?
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Hey yeah listen to your doctor and the government and you will be on the right track. Keep good hygene and get all your vaccines and you should be healthy. The Raptors are just on a slump right now, but don't worry next week will be nice and sunny and the team can enjoy a few days on the beach in the nice warm weather. but don't forget to put on your sunscreen don't want to get sun burnt! oh, and don't forget your vaccines, please!

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Yea we have major talent but as of now we are on the same path as last year. Guess like we forgot to fix the glaring weakness again...the word that sarts with a D, which is def. not in the Raps vocab. Even though we have talent we don't have any of the word that starts with a D
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Jay tonight after the game:

-They're not a great shooting team from 3 and they shot over 50% from 3

-I thought we had pretty good coverages for the most part

-It's just one of those things

-I don't speak to the team after a game win or lose

-I can't say that i saw anyone not trying

-We were a step slow all night

Seriously, what a fuckin' joke!

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Jay tonight after the game:

-It's just one of those things
NAILED IT!

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Jay tonight after the game:

-They're not a great shooting team from 3 and they shot over 50% from 3

-I thought we had pretty good coverages for the most part

-It's just one of those things

-I don't speak to the team after a game win or lose

-I can't say that i din't anyone not trying

-We were a step slow all night

Seriously, what a fuckin' joke!

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You can't hand that bullshit to your players. Ya gotta be tough and call them out. Be like they were shit no one played by the defence we practice. Call out everybody. It's the only way he is gonna get a response. If you are gonna be soft with your players they won't really care because seriously WTF are you gonna do to them. He doesn't even bench starters for not playing well
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Yea we have major talent but as of now we are on the same path as last year. Guess like we forgot to fix the glaring weakness again...the word that sarts with a D, which is def. not in the Toronto vocab. Even though we have talent we don't have any of the word that starts with a D


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