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Old 11-28-2013, 07:12 PM   #41 (permalink)
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we do? I always knew that Aaron Gray has unlimited potential!
technically speaking, amir does everything jonas does and does it better (maybe FT is a bit lower).

Anyway, JV was compared before the draft with Biedrins (before the injury) with a jumper/ft shooting. Basically a very good center, but not quite elite. And everything I've seen so far supports that tbh.

I would say that the way things are looking now, JV is moving towards a brook lopez trajectory, with maybe better D and worse O. Strong building block, but not quite the cornerstone he was projected at some point. Of course, many things can change in the future.
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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If it were guaranteed to be Wiggins or Randall then that's an easy yes. However for top 5, I might have to pass. JV is a definite talent with all-star ability. No guessing.

I can't wait for Rudy to be traded, and JV to get the actual fucking ball.
Definitely have to agree with everything. Only difference for me would be Parker over Randall and getting rid of Casey and replacing him with a good coach like George Karl, Lionel Hollins or SVG

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Old 11-28-2013, 08:46 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Eh, I think some of you are overstating JV's capabilities. It's far from a sure thing that he's ever an all star,
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:13 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I see the potential, its just difficult for him when he doesnt know when he is going to get the ball, also his team doesnt help with posting him up in good postions,

there has been times where he has a nice looking post up move, its only going to get better, plus he attacks every single rebound,

I love his game, our team would be better off if we focused on geting jonas the ball in the middle and working our offense through him kicking it out and generating shots that instead of allowing demar and rudy pound the rock into oblivion

where wasting valuable time on rudy and demar while jonas and ross don't get the touches and minutes they deserve, the focus should on developing guys in the long run instead of desperately trying to win games we eventually lose at the tend of hte game anyways
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:56 PM   #45 (permalink)
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For the record, I don't think a team with a Top 5 pick in the draft WOULD even trade it straight up for Jonas.

That said, I would probably do some kind of Jonas & DeMar deal for a Top 5 pick and another small asset. I would also probably swap Jonas for any one of Wiggins, Randle, Parker or Smart.

And no, Drummond isn't a game-changer so I certainly wouldn't trade it for #5.
There are only a handful of players in the NBA who can match Drummond's size and athleticism. He's still a bit raw and his FT shooting is God-awful but he's also still very young. He could very well be the next D12 in a few years.

I would take him in a heartbeat.
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Old 11-28-2013, 10:26 PM   #46 (permalink)
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You can't decide to trade JV until he's been coached by someone who understands how big men should play the game. Plus, aside from the fact that Casey doesn't play him enough, Casey also subtly is sending the message to JV that he's not ready, still has a lot to learn. You have to send your players onto the court with some swag, not with tentativeness.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:09 AM   #47 (permalink)
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You can't decide to trade JV until he's been coached by someone who understands how big men should play the game. Plus, aside from the fact that Casey doesn't play him enough, Casey also subtly is sending the message to JV that he's not ready, still has a lot to learn. You have to send your players onto the court with some swag, not with tentativeness.
Agree 100%.
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Old 11-29-2013, 07:00 PM   #48 (permalink)
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only if that pick is like top 3 and if there are guarantees that the rest of the roster will be tweaked to mesh with that pick
like i don't need JV being traded so we can get a star rookies only to have a mess with the rest of the roster and not be able to use that rookie properly and then he just leaves after he's fed up with the team not working out
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Old 11-30-2013, 07:55 PM   #49 (permalink)
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You can't decide to trade JV until he's been coached by someone who understands how big men should play the game. Plus, aside from the fact that Casey doesn't play him enough, Casey also subtly is sending the message to JV that he's not ready, still has a lot to learn. You have to send your players onto the court with some swag, not with tentativeness.
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:37 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Top 3 pick? Hell yes. It shouldn't even be an option to NOT trade him for that. The top 3 players in this upcoming draft are projected superstars. I like Jonas but hes not a superstar, the league is going a different direction in terms of what position can be a superstar. Jonas is a good player but we need more than that. Wish we had Drummond instead of Ross, then trading Jonas would actually be a great option...
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:45 PM   #51 (permalink)
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im trading JV for a top 3 with no second thought. They are stars from the get go, lebron james type players, you know what youre gonna get.
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Old 11-30-2013, 10:52 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Everybody does realize we start every game going to JV in the post - and for the last few weeks it's been 4-foot airball hook shots or turnovers. He's getting opportunity, he is just sucking.
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Everybody does realize we start every game going to JV in the post - and for the last few weeks it's been 4-foot airball hook shots or turnovers. He's getting opportunity, he is just sucking.
He showed a little something today (after a rough start).

He does need to work on his footwork though and either develop a face-up game or establish deeper position down low. He's catching it too far away from the basket and it's hurting him.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:51 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Get a different head coach,hire Hakeem to help him with his post moves and then Valanciunas potential could be really maximized
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Everybody does realize we start every game going to JV in the post - and for the last few weeks it's been 4-foot airball hook shots or turnovers. He's getting opportunity, he is just sucking.
Part of that is his fault for not getting in the proper position as he is catching the ball too far away from the net. Plus, he still needs to develop his post game, but he doesn't deserve all the blame. There have been a good few times when he has been in position and doesn't get the ball, but doesn't some of our wings/guards are not looking for him and they are too busy dribbling the ball around their legs and up their ass. Also, Casey with his bullshit rotations doesn't help matters, as most players need to play a good few minutes to get in a groove. It's no good playing the kid 17 mins for like 3 games and then throwing him out there for 34 mins only to play him 18 mins the following game. Yet again, as I have stated numerous times we need to fire Casey, trade Gay for anything, even if we can get a team player with just as big of a shit contract. Once that happens this team will turn it around
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Get a different head coach,hire Hakeem to help him with his post moves and then Valanciunas potential could be really maximized
Agree, Hakeem would do wonders for him. If we can't get him in any type of coaching capacity, just have Val sign up for Hakeem's summer program
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Definitely have to agree with everything. Only difference for me would be Parker over Randall and getting rid of Casey and replacing him with a good coach like George Karl, Lionel Hollins or SVG
Yeah I wrote down at the bottom of the page I meant Wiggins or Parker. Parker, I'm hearing, could very easily be #1 overall...
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Old 12-01-2013, 09:38 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Yeah I wrote down at the bottom of the page I meant Wiggins or Parker. Parker, I'm hearing, could very easily be #1 overall...
I only saw Parker in that game against Wiggins but he looked VERY, very good. Smooth game. Good range and quickness. Versatile game. I think that his game might be more complete than Wiggins'.
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Would I trade Val for a top 3 pick right now? No.

Around draft time after we see what all these guys can do for a year? Maybe.
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:56 AM   #60 (permalink)
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I only saw Parker in that game against Wiggins but he looked VERY, very good. Smooth game. Good range and quickness. Versatile game. I think that his game might be more complete than Wiggins'.
I also heard Parker has a great motor and a better competitive edge to him. Wiggins, apparently coasts a lot. Kind of like comparing Kobe's mentality to LeBron's a few years ago.
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